Norton 2011 BETA started

Downloading from Norton's servers amounts to about 80MB. What is the extra data? Definitions?

 

Yes 42mb of definitions

 

In my area, Norton 360 Multi User and Multi Year package is consistently cheaper then NIS. But using Norton 360 just makes you feel the bloat that you dont want. Symantec have some Strange pricing system.

 

Yep, and it varies from place to place.

 

Yep, I heard it is quite cheap in the USA, but here in The Netherlands it is fricking expensive. Probably the most expensive one around.

 

Same here in Bulgaria . Symatec has top selling product (NIS) and only NIS is very cheap - about 20-22 euros per box (1 year subscription). N360 , NAV , etc. are relatevely more expensive.

Symantec offers huge discounts to clients who have used another AV vendor's program (officially and legally) and who wants to change to Symantec products (in cases like the one with McAfee FP , for example).

One shouldn't forget that Symantec in an American company and their biggest market is in the USA .

 

I hope that. It really doesn´t matter if you have a low mem impact (6+6 MB in only two process) but it takes double time to open any browser, a simple system window or slow down your graphic suite... I´ve just uninstalled 2010 before buying the license because of that. In the other hand, Norton 2010 was able to remove two rogues, and Avira Personal was not even able to detect.

 

Not sure if you are able(or comfortable) buying on ebay, but you can usually get licenses for dirt cheap. I have bought 3pc/2yr license for under $10 USD. I got one for $6. Hard to beat that.

 

Many here don't trust e-bay
What's the story with the cheap NIS/NAV 2010 licenses on ebay?

 

I have probably bought 10 licenses over the years on ebay with out any issues. If you check feedback, and buy from a reputable seller, you will probably will be ok.

The other odd thing about Norton, is it seems like it's in beta 6-9 months per year. So if you don't mind using beta software, you can use the Norton betas for free a good part of the year, and fill in the other months with Avast, Avira, AVG, Comodo, etc....

 

SONAR 3: A new level of behavioral
security in Norton 2011

 

Nice read thankx for the link

 

Nah, i am not that comfortable with buying on ebay. And next to that I wouldn't even buy Norton if it was the cheapest here in the Netherlands, to be honest. I am comfortable with ESET NOD32. Which is also really cheap for me .

 

Well Software have different effects on different machine. I think the majority would agree Norton is a very Light Resources AV / IS. So far i haven't encounter any slow down with Norton 2010. ( It was only pricing system that annoys me )

 

You´re right. Every machine is diferent, but with an Athlon X2 Dual and 4 gigs of ram in dual channel it´s hard to admit those 'system jet-lags'. Well, after testing Avira Pro... I´ve just uninstalled because of the unnecesesary process like 'ghostcopy' (or something like that) intended for people with Win Vista or Seven. I´m using XP so Avira should not force to install a process I useless. They should take care in starting a bloatware AV with things like that (5 or 6 processes as far I can remenber), but anyway it runs smooth. Total time testing: one week.

After being overwhelmed repeatedly with messages that warn me "You´re using a trial license", I´ve uninstalled and give a try to Avast! 5 Free. The thing is that after around 3 hours of use, one FP in the whole system scan that tooks 50 minutes and a Runtime VB++ error after restart the system, I´ve uninstalled it after informed avast about that FP. (The VB error was fixed using BHO Captor if someone helps)

Then I´ve downloaded Norton AV 2011 beta, and all I can say is that for sure its gonna be one of the best AV of the year. Only two processes (10 mb each one, 6+6 in 2010 version) and my system runs as well as Avira. It´s soon to tell you about scan results and web surfing (really well by now using FF 3.6.3), but I will check deeply ASAP.
I´ve just disabled some features, like scan email or reconfigure the Sonar to avoid scan all external HD´s I have (music, work, etc). So, the first impression is really very good, so I will consider seriously to adquire one year (3 pc) license with someone to save some money after beta-test is finished.

Ups! about the price... you´re right, they should do a only one PC license for 20/30$. Norton IS is 70$ for 3 PC but maybe you only want one license for one PC.

 

I just found a new malware that is detected only by Norton 2011 and not any previous Norton/Symantec - my second catch for samples like this one -

I test on two computers - one with NAV 2010 , the other with NIS 2011 beta

Upon start-up , SONAR3 cathes it (but not SONAR2)
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Another test : I first disable NIS2011 protection , start the malware , wait about 10 minutes , then reenabled protection and perform Insight Network scan
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MD5: 9275294ddfe421cd065a9f2b374f6979
SHA256: 1fe48a20f6934b72e7f3ec5dc72dec3990ed0af048941acee474617c337487b4
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Test with Norton 2010 - it doesn't pick up the malware at all except from some part of the infection . Following scans detect just cookies
http://i39.tinypic.com/svnatt.png
http://i42.tinypic.com/ivdesi.png

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Norton Power Eraser (beta) doesn't pick up the infection - just Norton '11
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Symantec have made excellent improvements in Norton 2011

 

while it works great i find it a bit to sensitive at times. even more so than 2010 version was...

 

Well , I can't confirm this (although I can't deny , too) but better be a bit more sensitive than no sensitivity and no detection at all

 

I'm surprised that Power Eraser doesn't pick it up when it's SUPPOSED TO BE sensitive and so many people and bashers (yes, they're not considered people ) report problems with it...

 

This all proves my statement in the Norton Power Eraser thread , that NPE , although it is free , is intended for Norton/Symantec users only and it is a suplement to Norton , not a stand-alone utility (like MBAM , DrWeb Cure it , etc)

 

Well, no, the only thing it proves is that the Power Eraser thing is a grand fail. A malware removal tool that doesn't detect and clean even as much as a realtime AV is just plain useless. (Not to mention the obnoxious FPs here.) What kind of "supplemental" functionality does it provide to NAV/NIS? The FPs?

 

Unless you have something new to say (not repeating the same things) , you'd better stay away from the Norton thread .

NPE is not a malware removal tool , it is a malware removal tool for Norton users , not for Norton haters like you

 

Ah, yeah... sooo, since NAV/NIS 2010 fails to clean or even detect the threat ("Norton 2010 - it doesn't pick up the malware at all" to quote you), those Norton users would go and use the yellow eraser, yeah? Alas, it fails as well. Now NAV 2011 detects and cleans that itself. So, conclusion - the power eraser thing is plain useless for any Norton user out there in this case.

But oh well, since logic clearly wasn't your forte back at school, I guess I'll leave it at that.

 

Could you explain me what is wrong , what's your problem ? What you don't like in Norton 2010 and Norton 2011 ? You don't like some feautures in the program , you don't like its low price or what ... Or you just don't like the company Symantec and everything related to it ?

You will deny that their products are excellent at detection and removal malware , you will deny that their Laboratory is fast , you'll deny that it is not slow , you'll deny they have changed to much better ?

You were told numerous time that this utility is its first BETA version and until the end of the BETA testing , it will most likely get fixed and turned into what it should be. However , you remain "ANTI-Norton" . If it is plain useless , then simply don't use it .

I also find Trend Micro , ZoneAlarm , AVG , ESET , DefenceWall , Avast , HijackThis products useless and I don't use these programs . But still there are hundreds of users worldwide who continues to use them

 

Like I said previously, most people won't really hate Norton (for example I do like Norton 2011 beta), but the company behind it (but I don't like Symantec).

You don't like the low price? Like I said earlier: that price differs too much per country (one aspect you could dislike Symantec for). Norton being cheap is certainly not a fact.