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risl do you know Trend's reason, I never heard about trend leaving testing. I know F-prot did just did not think of it :\

 

trend were the first product to leave VB testing too, or one of the first, especially being a massive player in the industry, this was massive news, did you not know this?

if such products would not take a stand upon poor testing, we would never see accuracy improvements, for the AV's that scored in the high 90's, i wouldnt personally use ANY of these if thats what they score on such poor tests.

 

I don't see why people would "Rely" on a test to choose a product. But I can see people using them as a tool to help deciding what might fit them best, That is all. In the end the users end experience will be the deciding factor.

As for a "Valid" test as you seem to put it. It seems to me as any test that shows them lagging behind may not be to your liking. Guess its just easier to shrug it off as not valid then face the facts that the product has crap detection. But meh each there own.

 

Please show me one "Valid" test as you put it, that the above company's have left that they have not been below %85 in the test. As for VB testing for the love of god we wont get into that one. If you cant pass that test your product belongs in the bargain bin.

 

Here is an old thread on the topic: https://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=211857&highlight=Trend+Micro+vb100

 

no no, your getting confused, the point is - its just easier for you (and a few others, you aint alone here) to diss products as you can referance to a testing website without little or no knowledge of the tests the results have come from.

immediatly during this conversation, you quoted AV'C as almost gospel to prove my comments innaccurate, immediatly you brought another one of your bashing products into this thread, and immediatly you dismissed me as a fool as im the new guy on the boards.

your comments are probably more of a reflection on your own insecurity.

fact is - you know nothing of Norman or the tests or its detection rate, so why spread such lies?

there are a few people like you on here, and i dont see the point of this attitude to other products. (maybe you do, but i dont)

 

Well, That on is about VB. I remember that one I'm talking about AV-C. I don't remember trend pulling from them. Then again I cant say I recall any AV-C tests with them in it ether.

 

1. I'm not confused and if you think that I rely on tests to see how a product works your sadly mistaken.

2. I'm not preaching anything. You said you could not find it in AV-C I simply gave you reference to what test it is in. Before you post.. PLEASE read the post word for word not just what you want to see.

3. As for spreading lies. Prove me wrong them bring these so called "Valid tests" that you seem to be going off of to prove AV-C or any other test for that matter wrong on how there testing products.

4. I have never once said I don't like a product I just state what facts are around if you think I have any LOYALTY to a program you are sadly mistaken. The fact is you have no idea what products I even use. Again you are assuming with no facts.

 

Apparently, it was at the end of 2005 that Trend Micro decided to pull their products from further testing by A-V Comparatives.

Here is a link to the A-V Comparatives test archive;
http://www.av-comparatives.org/comparativesreviews/main-tests/archive

 

lol, funny you would say that - because i never said such a thing.

as for Norman - its yet to be in a 'Valid' test, or one that is known for its validity in my opinion, so why judge a product on the big 'nothing' that you know?

lol, your honestly believing what your typing?

anyway, im gonna wrap up this little conversation with you, i believe ive added some constructive comments in regards to your bashing, & maybe people will take notice at what i have to say, if not all, some.

Yours Sincerely,

the n00b who is new and knows nothing!

PS. You shouldn't assume you are talking to someone who knows nothing, they will just make you look stupid in your comments.

 

I went back and re read your post. You said example of AV-Test I was thinking AV-C and that's why I went and found the test information. In the end it still makes no difference as its still a test and you said you could not find them in tests for example AV-T.

Again you keep bring up "Valid" tests as you put it. There is plenty of Valid tests out there just because you do not see them as valid, does not make them any less valid to anyone else.

Again all you seem to want to do is attempt to attack me. I did not bash any product, it's a simple fact if your product is doing poor in tests to pull out of them. No company can be shown in a bad light continually and expect to succeed.

As for the last comment. Thanks for a good laugh.

 

There is no way to evaluate reliability or validity in their scientific meaning, because antivirus tests are not scientific studies performed by scientists in universities though they often seem to try replicating a real empirical studies. People can ofcourse have their opinions and form their philosophies with the help of these results.

In this case, I have more faith in user experiences.

 

Folks,

On the back and forth sniping...., let it go.

Blue

 

as a chinese. using nomran is a inconceivable idea ,because in china people only know kis,avira kingsoft rising, micropoint,eset,avast.they raraly hear norman.i admit that i am very like it,like it GUI sandbox,but though they updated many signature every day(more than 9000 every day) but the virus signatrue is not much match Asian and Pacific regions.so every time i testing norman.thedetection is medicore or abysmal...
but i still submit the left sample to norman lab.to my disappointedis that if the sample not be detected by sandbox,they will not add it to signature......
on the other hand, i do a feedback to norman ,every time they reply to me,and after the next program update,the bug is fixed.and i know the character is very weird ,don't very like talked with people,i feel i am very lucky

 

I don't understand how these threads get so far off-topic.... Anyhow, I uninstalled is because I couldn't get LogMeIn or Webex to work correctly, which I need for work. Also, I had a couple of other screen shots that I forgot to upload.

As you can see you can select how "deep" the sandbox works in real-time




Here is Norman warning about a change in auto start.




...and here is Norman warning about an IE plugin being installed

 

best antivirus is the one that protects you from viruses.
All these tests are synthetic and do not represent the reality.It says Dr.Web, Panda, TrendMicro;Ikarus.....
Many people disagree with the methodology and ways of testing VB.

 

What on Earth do you think you're doing actually mentioning Norman in this thread?

Seriously though I'm interested in how good the sandbox is because I've not been able to find much info on how it performs in the real world.By that I mean is it strong enough to stand on it's own merits taking the AV out of the equation a la SBIE