Microsoft Security Essentials 1.0 (Morro MSE Free Anti-Virus)

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by BrendanK., Jun 17, 2009.

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  1. Wildest

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    I can't see this happening.

    This would kill the market, and since I can't see how Microsoft would benefit from this, I don't envision MSE consistently having the best test results.
     
  2. elapsed

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    No AV consistently has the best test results. It tends to hop about between a select few.
     
  3. Wildest

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    I believe that this fact could be changed if Microsoft decided to do so; I am betting that they won't.
     
  4. raven211

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    You didn't get my point in the first place - that's why I quoted TOGETHER WITH A GREAT SANDBOX.
     
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    And you didn't get my point as well, which is that the best detection rate is not necessary with a great sandbox, based on your own use of the term, FLAWLESS.
     
  6. raven211

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    I dunno why you wrote that in the first place, since, again, my original point was just that MSE is light and easy to use, it's also free - I'll be honest, I dunno how to argue with you here, what was your point with your first reply anyway? I just said that it was great, and my bottom-line or thought was that (geez...) MSE is from Microsoft, it's light, it's effective, it'll do a good job at cleaning the remnants of malware from what's caught within a sandbox. I'm completely confused over your message.
     
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  7. dell boy

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    i can see this product being like when avg was the only free av, millions use it, but there are slight advantages over paying for software.
    microsoft wouldnt suddenly put all the big security softwares out of business by beating their product with a free one, itll probably be light, simple and effective at removing/preventing all malwares, but wont have all other stuff you get with norton etc.
     
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    The question is if that "extra stuff" is needed. ;) Sandboxing can be free too, even if I currently prefer a paid alternative. What of for Norton AV is really needed, which MSE doesn't have? I'm just curious. :)
     
  9. dell boy

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    well whether you want that "extra stuff" is up to you, like with winpatrol, you dont need the extras with premium, but they are handy, same with any free av now, avast, with pro you get script scanning, which isnt needed but is helpful.
    its up to you if you want norton or a free one, norton has firewall and is great for non-techies who want to set and not have to do anything else, with a free av and free firewall and hips etc it isnt always so good for people who dont know much such as families with kids.
     
  10. Wildest

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    If it is "light, simple and effective at removing/preventing all malwares" then the market will be reduced to the size of current disk defragmenter market.
     
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    ok i should of put that differently, i doubt it will remove all malwares, who knows how much effort will be put into issuing updates for new malwares...
     
  12. raven211

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    Good point - I'm interested to see how it does one or two years from now, long after it's gone final (if the money they get from their OS is enough to satisfy their pockets :D). ;)
     
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    I've thought about the same thing... but like I said in my comment just before this one, I'm simply interested in how it does in the future; new types of malware, which is in fact simply evolving everyday, the final already released by then, etc. The beta testing now is showing stellar results - absolutely for new malware too from what I recall - but who knows how much effort they'll put into it for all eternity? :rolleyes:
     
  14. dell boy

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    im not sure this free antivirus is so much about money, its more about the large amount of users not having enough protection for their computer, if a basic antivirus comes along with the computer with free updates, then it should help cut down on internet fraud because people get norton with their computer and the trial runs out, and they dont get anything else and dont know any better, but if theyve got atleast some form of protection from serious viruses it should help.
    also its about microsoft acting like they care for theyre consumers by providing something for free to benefit the user..
     
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    In my extensive testing, (thousands of samples, dozens of tests over more than six month) Prevx is about as good as you can get and only matched by A2.

    The term "cloud" is banded about lots at the moment but in reality it is not a big homogeneity. The way Prevx, MSE, Panda, Norton, F-Secure & Hitman work varies widely and so do their use, implementation / functioning of the cloud / utility resource.

    as mentioned, i play with malware all the time and am heavily involved in testing organisations. I would say nothing compares with Prevx ar catching new threats. A2 is close and Avira was in the running, but has fallen away in tecent months in this respect.

    Just my opinion, based on my experience, but whilst there is lots of hype and nonsense talked about "cloud" technology, I do believe it is the future - nad not just for AMs.

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    Although I'm not using a pure Sandbox, GeSWall (policy and some sandboxing) with MSE does give pretty good security. I have this combo running on a Vista Home, Win XP pro and Win XP home PC's and they are running great. No slow downs or conflicts.

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  17. JRosenfeld

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    Does it scan incoming emails, in the way that NAV does?
     
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    I believe anything that writes to the harddrive will be scanned. So I guess it depends on which email client your using. I think if a virus or malware was attached to your email, MSE would pick up on it. This product has surprised a lot of people in how effective it is. I have used other free solutions in the past and feel this is right up there with the best of them.

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    I think MSE is going to really blow some people away when it comes out.
     
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    I use Office Outlook 2002/XP for emails. Also Outlook Express for news groups. In neither case are the emails written to hard drive directly (i.e. as separate files), but in .pst or .dbx files. These are large. If it has to scan those each time they are changed as a new message is downloaded, rather than just the emails as they come in, I think it might be rather busy.
     
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    Thanks. But my point remains: if it has to scan the .pst file each time it is changed, that seems to me to require a lot more work than (as NAV does) scanning each e mail as it comes in, before (and with any malicious attachments deleted) it is actually added to the .pst file. Also, the article your link leads to relates to Outlook express and dbx files. not specifically to .pst files.
     
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    Your very welcome.
     
  24. IceCube1010

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    Being in the programming field myself, I would think Microsoft probably has some kind of an index over the .pst file and therefore would scan only new entries into this file and not the complete file. You are probably not the only person using Outlook and MSE at the same time. If this was an issue, the web would be flooded with how MSE is the most resource heavy app. I will tell you this, if there was any criticism I have is that it does take up some ram. More than any other free AV I have used. On my pc on average the 2 processes take up about 70meg.

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  25. IceCube1010

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    Avira is about 2x as fast as MSE when doing a scan. I do not experience any slowdowns. Having used AVG, AVira, AVAST etc. etc. MSE feels light, however it does use more ram than the others. But this is probably why it feels light is because there is some sort of protection in the ram. I use Avira as a secondary backup. But I get FP's with Avira. Just the other day it was flagging my geswall driver as a trojan!!!o_O

    MSE also had an issue with it updating on my XP PC. This was fixed via a registry change. Their next beta will address this updating issue however.

    Ice
     
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