Must Acronis Abandon there Linux Boot and Use Bartpe/VistaPE?

You download the pre-built PE recovery disc. There isn't any disc builder utility in SP.

 

Shieber why are you beginnen a ripoff thread here?

https://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=207130

What is the use of this?

 

Just keep the votes coming boys only then we can make a statement!

 

Place your bets!

 

A Total of 72 votes and counting!!

 

I have a second computer, can I vote for the motion twice?

Xpilot

 

I have re-read the post by Mustang. It seems to me that the only reason we don't have some kind of Win rescue environment is because the corporations involved are only trying to protect themselves rather than the customer. And this thread has been here for nearly 3 months now, and still no comment from Acronis. And everytime something like this is met with silence from them, I lose a little more of that warm and fuzzy feeling.

Also, take a look at this:

http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?sID=5008

~Dave

 

Nope sorry just call your friends or collegeas to vote!

 

IOt cfan be done and it has been done by another brand. It's just a licensing/cost/pricing issue.

 

I vote against BartPE or VistaPE. Just because it is annoyingly slow as (waiting for minutes...) as compared to a quick Linux based bootcd.

I know of the huge problems with Acronis boot cds (not just with True Image, but also with the other products), but for me the problems are not due to Linux.

It is true that for me, too, a version 9.1 bootcd does NOT boot with my PC (though it does with others!), but I do not even get to the point where I could select F11. My computer locks up at the very beginning before any Linux takes over!

This made me curious and I remastered my 9.1 bootcd, I created a simple isolinux based bootcd removing all the MS files (like bootwiz.sys etc.) and just keeping kernel.dat and ramdisk.dat.
Works perfect every time - and fast!
So no Linux problem here at all.

Of course (in comparison to a BartPE CD) you lose image mounting; for this purpose I remastered a Kanotix CD and integrated True Image - also works perfectly and comparably fast (faster than BartPE at any rate) and allows for image mounting.

I can only speak for myself, but I suspect that many people's bootcd problems are NOT due to Linux, but due to the windows/dos elements on the bootcd which freeze their PCs.

Again, I vote for a Linux based bootcd.


cheers

 

Then Acronis should Fix this bootcd Problem. 1 thing you didn't mention is that the linuxbootcd sometimes takes hours to backup just a few GB where with the Bartpe is goes FAST!!.

Can you tell me how to make such a Kanotix CD

 

You are right, the (for lots of people) non functional boot cd is a real annoyance!

Regarding the Kanotix CD, I would need more time to explain; for now, just a few hints:
You need to download a Kanotix iso, then mount this iso file as a loop device (mount kanotix.iso -o loop /mnt/yourmountpoint)

Then you see the structure within the iso; within the directory KANOTIX there is a file KANOTIX; this file must be edited; you will have to mount it this way:
mount -o loop -t squashfs KANOTIX /mnt/anothermountpoint

Obviously, you need squashfs support in your Linux installation/kernel.

Then you can copy all the directories and files out of your mounted KANOTIX, you can edit things, add things, add True Image files etc.; thereafter, you will have to pack everything again (via mksquashfs) and finally create a new iso.


In the meantime, I switched to a better solution for me:
Instead of Kanotix I now took Slax and edited/modified it.

The positive aspects of Slax are:
- even with about 512 MB RAM you can run it completely in RAM
- it has a good and small selection of programs
- while working with Slax you can write to any directory of the (virtual) file system
- you can save the changes you made to the live system very easily and inject them in the new iso you make (it is even easier as with Kanotix because Slax comes with a ready to use make_iso.sh script)

So you simply download Slax, burn a CD, launch Slax, while running it from CD you can install True Image (of course the Linux version), at the end you do:
dir2lzm /mnt/live/memory/changes /somepartition/somedirectory/mychanges.lzm

Later, you copy mychanges.lzm in the modules directory of your unpacked Slax iso and create a new iso via make_iso.sh.


Okay, this should be enough for a start, you will find more information in the Slax forums, for instance.

I have True Image fully working and with image mounting capability and considerably faster than a BartPE CD; there isn't slow imaging/restoring either because in contrast to the simple Acronis rescue CD you work from a real Linux environment not just from a rescue environment.


Regards, jura0001

 

wow OK OK very interesting. BUT.. im a windows man... can I still do this?
I think a lot of windows users would find a manual for this really really cool. Something that Mustang did with his Bartpe Plugins.. make it simple.. maybe ask a little money for it ;-)

idea?

 

I have built BartPE with the Acronis plug in and used it successfully.

However, I do NOT want to lose the Linux recovery disk because backups and restores taken in this environment , typically, take approximately less than 25% of the time taken when running under Windows (XP or BartPE)!

Rog

 

SEveral companies use linux for the bootcd and they don't all have the same problems on the same hardware (althought they all have problems with some hardware); which only goes to show that they don't all have the same drivers, not to mention the same linux engines. Before Acroinis changed to the linux enging in ATI11, most of it's problems were indeed linux-hardware-driver issues. Since then a host of other probs have been added. Unlike your specialized linux disk, Acronis tries to make one that will run on all, most PCs and that covers a lot of variety.

Personally, if I'm running a windows machine, I just as soon stick with that for recovery, even if I have to pay a higher licensing fee for the backup program. It's hard enough living with one OS these days without trying to live to with two.

 

Just tested paragon. Hate the interface hate te product! Come acronis make the bootcd like storagecraft!

 

I have been trying to solve problem with tech support for 4 weeks using linuix bootable rescue media. Tried Dell optiplex SX280 and 755 but couldnt see my images over the network.

Spent an hour with BartPE and have working great.

I think it is hard to keep linux up to date with all necessary drivers.

By the way the SX280 is 3 years old now. so you would expect the linuix drivers to have caught up by now.

Cheers

Mike

 

I've had experiences in using Acronis in a lot of server type machines. Acronis Linux based rescue media's main weakness is SAS drives in a RAID configuration. I always, always have problems either detecting the local hard drive or worse; have the restoration (identical machine) take 2 hrs to restore whilst an online backup took only 9 minutes. So much for "Disaster Recovery".

linux rescue media has been great so far on normal workstations and desktops; IDE, SATA, SCSI, etc.

 

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Well given the problems I have had with the Linux recovery environment and USB external HD as source file for recovery - 17 agonising hours to restore 80gig means you can certainly have my vote. I have created a VistaPE disk and completed the same task measured in minutes this time.

 

Agreed! Just about to throw the Acronis boot CD in the bin. Image created using 9.5 but the 9.5 boot CD-ROM won't recognise the network. The 9.1 boot CD-ROM will recognise the network but hangs when I select the TIB file to restore - I suspect because 9.5 uses a different file format.

Ever heard of data versioning guys?

 

Hello all,

Thank you for your interesting in Acronis True Image

Our Development Team works hard to improve Acronis software and eliminate possible issues including Acronis Linux. Our future releases will include numerous fixes and overall stability improvements. You can receive Acronis' releases and special promotions information if you sign up at our web site http://www.acronis.com/enterprise/company/newsletter.html

Every new build of Acronis software has better hardware support as well as more drivers added to Acronis bootable disc. If you notice that Acronis bootable disc works slower than it should or just hangs while booting submit request to support department using the following link http://www.acronis.com/company/contacts/request/index.html?t=2

If some drivers are not recognized by Acronis software you may use BartPE bootable disc. It is possible to add any storage drivers at startup in the same manner as when installing Windows on the hard drive (by pressing F6 and inserting diskette with drivers).

To create BartPE bootable disc with the Acronis True Image plug-in you should download PE builder from the following link http://nu2.nu/pebuilder/download/

For additional information about BartPE, please click the following link:
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/support/bartpe/

Best regards,
--
Dmitry Nikolaev

 

Just goes to show, if you jump through enough hoops, you can get to the other side of the ring.

 

While true for the most part, this hasn't been quite the case all the time. ATI11 had worse support for some hardware than did ATI10, so every new build is not an improvement. Version 12, was a big step up from version 11 in terms of hardware support. But the morale is that a new build or version is not an assurance that ATI will work on you machine even if it worked before. The only way to know is to test it.

 

Bart PE is slow to boot up vs linux just make the current version run better...