Kaspersky v.8 (2009) Official Technical Release is out

There is a TR version that accepts comercial keys yet.

Try here http://devbuilds.kaspersky-labs.com/devbuilds/TR/

Regards.

 

did you download it from the tr folder or pretr folder?
if its from the pretr folder that version only accepted beta keys.
the version in the tr folder accepts standard keys.
so download thatversion if you havent already.
uninstall current version reboot and install the newer version.

 

What version of the TR are you running? There are two versions, if memory serves but only the one issued on 30th April takes commercial keys, I believe!

If not TR version then you should be able to get it via this link:

http://devbuilds.kaspersky-labs.com/devbuilds/TR/KAV/

Cheers!

 

Hotfix (a) has now been applied via regular update servers, now 8.0.0.357 (a)

 

You seriously think the average user is going to be able to answer any cryptic dialog box correctly.

 

yes, i think those who CAN READ will have no problem. the other ones...how the heck can they even install an AV.
of course the don't display popup boxes just remove aproach is better

 

New build 8.0.0.402 will be available soon

 

this is labeled as a beta build, so you should stay away from it if you want stable.

 

Hello Baz and sory for late response, but I did some more testing.

Well for my opinion the start up guard has been mistakenly transferred from proactive defense to applications filtering.

Note that I had disabled applications filtering in all previous versions of KIS (as well as web traffic and email filtering, parental control, but these are irrelevant). The reason of not installing applications filtering is mainly to avoid pop ups and reduce CPU load.

Now in order to have start up guard I have to enable applications filtering, resulting to tens of additional pop ups (further to the pop ups from applications that try to include themselves in start up folders). After familiarize with KIS for a bit, its easy to quickly answer to the pop ups or make them disappear, nevertheless I still don’t like application filtering, suppose that I want to install imgburn or any other freeware that I already know that its clean: I am having a pop up that KIS is analyzing the set up file and almost 100% CPU for around a minute, although I have installed imgburn in several PCs/snapshots and I now its 100% safe. This minutely delay and 100% CPU load is really unnecessary for me and additionally the KIS is analyzing imgburn on the first time is launched for the same time with the installer, with the same CPU load.

For these reasons, or maybe because I am used to after many years into KIS, I believe that at least start up guard should be proactive defense feature. With previous versions and only file AV, FW and proactive enabled I have been infected only once in the last 3.5 years and this was from a new virus not included in the database, so for me it was enough protection without unnecessary features.

 

That approach fits in with the overall design concept for KIS 2009. It was hotly debated by the beta testers...and it is what it is.

KIS 2009 is so quiet it is unreal, especially in Automatic mode. Noisier in Interactive mode but still not a patch compared to KIS 7. Again this is down to the Whitelisting approach that is one of the core design principles of this version.

Well, if you make sure that imgburn is placed in the Trusted group under the Application filtering rules it will be almost silent. If it is not recognised automatically by KIS 2009 and placed in the Low Trusted (hence the popups) all you have to do, if you do trust it, is to drag it into the Trusted group...et voila!

I would recommend checking out the Kaspersky forum as there are a lot of questions and answers appearing about the functionality...and you may find some additinal responses and guidance over there.

 

thanks for the detailed reply

Here you didn't understand this point: I was using KIS 7 without applications filtering feature. With KIS 8 I have to use applications filtering, only to be able to control start up programs and this results to a series of unnecessary pop ups, which I wasn't experiencing in previous version (unnecessary for me) especially when I install or launch for first time a trust application.
Control of start up programs/services is an important feature for me, there are pricey applications that offer only this.

Other than that I never use any automatic feature (intermediate computer user )

Finally overall the new version is excellent and look for the official release.

edit: I visit kaspersky forums occasionally and I am glad to read that some beta testers are in line with me.

 

Entirely my pleasure.

But I still do not understand your point (perhaps I am dense) as if the application is recognised as Trusted by KIS, ie, in its whitelist then you should not get a popup or even a notification of that it has been placed in the Trusted group...unless the notification setting 'Placing the application in the group of trusted applications' has the screen check box ticked...may be worth checking.

Of course the whitelist is 'young' or incomplete as one might expect but will only improve and cover more applciations over time (there is s sticky post over at the Kaspersky forum for suggesting applications for whitelisting...you may want to suggest some of the ones that you use and trust as candidates?)

And as I said before, if a program you trust ends up in the Low Restricted group then just drag it into Trusted and no more popups, etc. This is what I have found over the course of the beta program that I took part in.

One thing to note though is that if a Low Restricted app tries to start or use a Trusted app then you will get a popup about the Trusted app as this is to prevent malicious software from hijacking Trusted apps as a means of doing their nefarious business.

Likewise

Glad you like it...I think it is awesome!

See you around there perhaps?

 

t is not simple.. it is aweful! A Security Suite that has gone down the drain for simplicity of use and full feature control.. You either use the stupid automatic mode or nothing pretty much.. Even when I told the stupid application to be trusted it still popped up a notice every single time it ran.. it's aweful and I won't be using it.. and as a PC Technician I won't be recommending this one for any of my clients..

WHY should a security suite that was so SIMPLE to use that I could even teach the most casual users how to use the features and make rules now become something so damn complicated? I saw how complicated it has become and it now is reaching closely to the bloated so automated software that you know longer truely have any control of it that it's starting to feel like.. UGG Symantec or Mcafee. No longer does this suite have total and utter ease of control but become a stupid automated system with almost no real control.. I been in the rules and I could not remove any of the rules for preset applications at all.. the delete no longer existed for them.. the ease of use and control is now GONE! Even the filtration slide control that made me recommend KIS to all my clients is gone.

So now Kaspersky joins the ranks of horrible control for a Security Suites like the ranks of Mcafee and Norton. Not everyone likes automated! Their is many that like full easy manual use and is one of the reasons I ONLY used the firewall from KIS.. now it's a bloated out firewall that is mostly automated with controls that can't not be modified as desired. As it stands their is many applications that can not be edited or deleted in the applications tab so now Kaspersky can LOCK a software with full permissions even if you don't want it to have it! It doesn't allow low applications to be added to Trusted.. it's just a total and utter mess that totally destroys KIS for me.

 

It wont install on my system as it keeps telling me I need to remove AVG8 first. I dont have AVG8 on my system - removed it via the uninstall months ago and have used F-Secure since. I have removed any trace of AVG by looking at hidden folders and reg keys etc, but KAV still wont install!

Help

 

Try using CCleaner's Registry Cleaner or some other third party Registry Cleaner.

 

Hi, I run regsupreme daily! Im at a loss. Thanks anyway.

 

Hi, taken from the KLab Beta Forums:

"Most probably AVG left some files behind and you have to delete them:
1) Run Regedit and delete following entries in Windows Registry:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\AVG8Uninstall
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\AVG\Avg8
2) Run a registry cleaner
3) And run KIS 2009...
If it doesn't work, uninstall KIS2009 completely (KAVRemover9 http://support.kaspersky.com/faq/?qid=208279752),
reboot and reinstall it once again.

The problem definitely lies with those two registry entries. AVG is a messy uninstaller."

Regards.

 

hi, I used regedit to remove some AVG references and now KAV has installed.

With everything set to scan at max etc, it seems fast - I stoped using ver 7 as it slowed my PC too much.

 

It doesn't seem fast, it is

I did the same as you: I stopped using version 7 due to the fact that it slowed down surfing and the pc too much. Not anymore with version 8 installed. And I even use KIS 2009.

 

No, you have automatic mode, or...yep, you guessed it "interactive" mode.

Surely a PC technician knows, to ask for advice from someone more knowledgeable or search for the reason why an app is popping up each time...need more info, what popup, what alert etc? ...and I hope you did click OK after moving the app to the trusted group to apply the change?

What is so complicated about it, it makes it easier on normal users who prefer not to mess with the car engine and just drive it instead...but those who do prefer to mess with the car engine can switch on "interactive" mode instead.

It's so bloated it scans faster than KIS7 and uses less RAM ...as I said, you have automatic and interactive mode..... guess what the difference between the two is?

Every single app that runs has to have rules created for it- that is how HIPS works. KIS creates rules according to it's database of known trusted applications. Trusted apps go into "trusted"...unrecognised apps go into low/high/untrusted depending on the danger index. You CANNOT delete rules for apps that are running because that would break HIPS, obviously. If you want "training mode", simply right click the network column for the "trusted" group in application filtering and select "!Prompt"...then click OK. Now each app will prompt for access and you can create definite rules from the first popup requesting network access.... does that sound too horrible?

Yes...which is why there is an "interactive" mode as I keep saying....

Give me one example of something that you cannot modify to your liking, humor me. (Wether or not you know how to change a setting is a completely different question, and that has nothing to do with KIS)

Complete rubbish... I suggest you ask how something works if you are not sure how to use it (or read the manual) before getting out a big "it doesn't work" drum and shouting across forums..... To move apps from low restricted to trusted, you can either drag them into the trusted group and click OK or use the "Move to.." button to take it to the new group.

Kaspersky doesn't lock anything, all the settings can be modified by you with two clicks.. if you would like to give me some concrete examples I would be happy to explain.

 

Are there any skins available for this version?

 

Pipkin made a few so far, more will come: http://forum.kasperskyclub.com/blog/pipkin/index.php?showentry=374

 

Thanks

 

I have just read the comment from Moltar and the response from Baz_Kasp, obviously they have a different perspective of KIS 2009.
For what it is worth my opinion is very simple, KIS 2009 is the best security product I have ever used or seen. I find it extremely easy to get to grips with.

 

I am using the app as a standard business user that wants complete control on what is accessing internet. Now when I ran apps that were by default in trusted the application never asked even though it was set to interactive! Other applications that asked in interactive the option to add to trusted (WAS STUPIDLY GRAYED OUT!! COULD NOT ADD IT TO TRUSTED!). How is that easier when 9 out of 10 times the stupid Add To Trusted was a grayed out non selectable item! It should be I who determines and not Kaspersky taking control out of the users hands.

The firewall simplicity is gone.. The simplicity of the Kaspersky old firewall was so simple and easy to teach users how to add folders to be excluded. How to add executables to trusted or how to just block them broadcasting. This new firewall is too damn complex for average user to customize.. It would be like trying to train a user how to use a standard firewall software.. They don't want that they liked Kaspersky for the ease of customization and understandability.. that is gone.

False I could not delete rules for any that was already set to a default.. Only the ones created by interactive use was I able to edit. Example of a default application was Alcohol they don't like users updating so I block it because as a business they want to make sure the software works.. They use it to create images only and don't need newer versions. But when I went to delete the rules their their was 3 rules under the Alcohol group and NOT a single one could be deleted or edited and all were set to allow.. 3 duplicate entries under that group. That is removing control from the user! I had to downgrade that PC back to KIS 7 they wanted nothing to do with KIS 2009 when they saw I could not delete the list of applications and start from scratch with the interactive training mode. (BTW when I say downgrade it was on the owners personal PC he wanted to get familiar with it before it's release to see if he would put it on the other systems but he hated the new firewall and it's non working interactive mode and had me remove it)

Example above with Alcohol.

This is stupidity a user should not have to know how to go into the complicated looking firewall settings screen and be confounded but be able to add to trusted or permanently block all from the interactive pop up.. And after adding an application to the Add To Trusted it still popped up a do I want to allow it dialogue... (This was for a debugger since it injects itself into another process) so the add to trusted doesn't even work properly the ONE time I got the option to be even able to be selected.

In the KIS 7 I can go into the applications settings and delete every single application and start from a fresh interactive pop ups. It never refused to give add to trusted option and when added to trusted it never asked me again unless the application changed! But with KIS 2009 it just kept asking me.. the 'Add to Trusted' only showed up once out of about 9 attempts and the time I did click 'Add to Trusted' it still asked me when I re-opened the application. How is that simplicity?

Secondly the slider was the easiest damn method to select what type of firewall you wanted! Now the only way I could figure out how to change from automatic to interactive was to run the setup wizard to change the firewall. It is no longer a simple and easy slide control. For example I have another client that likes to allow all unless the application is specifically set to be blocked.. I could see no method to handle this method of operation either. He has some applications that he doesn't want having any access on the network but to be blocked but doesn't like running a regular firewall per say but KIS 2009 no longer gives this as an option..

He really likes KIS 7 since it will watch for key loggers, viruses, Trojans through a firewall but not actually be blocking like a firewall, since many of his applications need access from the outside. This I could not see any method to do in KIS 2009. Hence ease of use and control of how KIS Firewall works is gone from what I have seen.