Way to go OneCare!!!

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by quazimutato, Dec 5, 2007.

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  1. Hangetsu

    Hangetsu Registered Member

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    First off, my primary machine uses NOD32, just to clarify; While I think its improved, my primary PC used for work won't get OneCare until it has a bit more of a track record.

    As for "older" machine, my apologies for that -- Its well within the specs for Vista.

    However, I do disagree with your interpretation of OneCare's capabilities. VB100 and AV-Comparatives both have the product at respectable levels (including earning an Advanced from AV-C). That's not marketing brainwash - IBK isn't going to give a good score just because of a pretty ad.

    Given the sites my kids are allowed to visit on their PCs are limited, yes, I find the risk in having an AV with about 2-3% less effectiveness is worth the reward of a more stable and well-performing system.

    Oh, and one more place we agree: I think running ANY OS without some form of protection is ridiculous. That goes for even Linux.
     
  2. midway40

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    212eta, I do not know where you get this MS "brainwashing" people about not using security software with Vista. In fact I have never read any such statement from Microsoft:

    from MS Vista Security Software Vendors

    When you visit MS's PC Protection page you see nothing about "Oh, you don't need any protection with Vista, it is the Ultimate OS (pun not intended)". Why after you first install Vista you see the red warning shield in the systray telling you that no antivirus is installed if it is MS's intention that Vista does not require it?

    Yes there are some Vista users out there that do not run any kind of protection, just relying on Vista's firewall and occasional online scanners. Some of these people understand Vista's inner workings much better than I. They speak of "virtualization" "service hardening" "patchguard" and other things that are beyond me. While I do not succumb to this no-security-needed idea I cannot overlook the fact that I have not had one single infection of any type since I installed Vista back in February (and I am far from a safe surfer). Sure Norton blocked a lot of it but what it didn't catch Vista's own internal security did (UAC and Protected Mode).

    I am very proud of my 4 1/2 year old Dell 8300. It runs Vista better than a lot of people with much better hardware if I am to believe all these posts of "bloatness" of Vista. My little P4 is outdoing all these Duo and Quad core users who are shouting "Bloat!" [gives a pat on the CPU tower].

    And lastly, no one forced me to use OC 2.0. By your reasoning I should have gotten down on my knees and knelt toward Redmond when 1.0 came out. The 1.x versions did not impress me at all (and also MS 'fanboy' Paul Thurrott who openly stated that he took it off and used AVG instead at the time). 2.0, while not perfect as I stated before, is a lot better and improving.
     
  3. 212eta

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    To explain better myself, because I don't want you to further misunderstood my points:

    1) Micro$oft knowing that Vista is and will be a vulnerable OS (like its previous versions)
    -remember my words in the future when
    some serious Security incidents with Vist will emerge-,
    very cleverly suggested the purchase of extra protection.
    However, some 'loyal' -not to say obsessed with Micro$oft users
    thought that they could run Vista without protection.
    This proved a distaster!
    Whom to blame?
    The loyalty (not to say stupidity) of these users? Yes!
    -But who 'motivated' these users to do such a thing?
    -Did they suddenly and accidentally ALL get crazy and start using Vista
    without protection (in the first weeks/months before the first Security issues came up)?
    -Do you want from us to believe that the advertising of Micro$oft did NOT at least influnced
    -not to say INDIRECTLY brain-washed- these people?
    Is Micro$oft away from any responsibility?
    I guess, yes, because this is what you want from us to believe!
    This goes nicely with Micro$oft intere$t$, too.
    Come on now! Do not underestimate our common sense in such a provocative way!

    2) As far as av-comparatives.org, IBK etc.:
    There are many AV testing sites and their Test-results are so conflicting at times!
    Why?
    Because, there is NO specific pattern for tasting AVs.
    IBK uses one method, whereas, there are dozens AV testing sites (throughout the world)
    that have questioned the method/results of IBK. Are you aware of that?
    OR
    Do you believe that the AV comparatives.org is the one and only "Holly Book"
    of the AV testing and IBK is the "Holly Prophet" of the AV testing?
    Sorry, IBK I've sinned once more...

    And something last:
    You use the OneCare Logo/Trademark of Micro$oft as an avatar...just by chance...
    -Do you expect from us to take you as objective/independent posters?
    -Do you want from us to believe that you have no association with Micro$oft?
    OR
    Are you just typical home-users, who love Micro$oft so much and defend its
    products with such a pa$$ion?

    If you do it for free, it is so...twisted...
    In that case, Micro$oft should thank you... not just with words...

    Sorry, but I came here just to share ideas.

    This makes entirely MAD the ones who came here to
    -- SELL products/services and/or
    -- Defend organized intere$t$!

    There is a HUGE difference between these two writing approaches!
     
  4. midway40

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    The only thing I am going to address from your paranoia post is the avatar.

    My avatar changes when my security software changes. In the past these included F-Secure, Trend Micro, Symantec, and now OneCare. Looking over the forum I see avatars from Avira, Kaspersky, NOD32 and others. What is the problem with this?

    Take a chill pill and relax. Life is too short for this.
     
  5. 212eta

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    Dear Midway40,


    1) It depends on how old your PC is!
    2) Just because it did NOT happened to you
    it does NOT mean that other users -throughout the world-
    who tried to run Vista on relatively old machines,
    did not experienced problems.
    There are many sites related to technical issues that can PROVE it.
    If you don't believe me, search for yourself!
    I am not here to advertise/sell products/services and websites!

    Haven't you noticed issues related to "Vista & Old Machines"?
    OR
    Are so satisfied with Micro$oft that you always 'see'
    that 'Everything runs soooooooooooooooo...smoothly'?

    One little piece of advice from someone who used to
    technically evaluate All vesions of Windows (from 3.11 to Vista)
    in respect with a certain country/facility:

    "Do NOT disaprove/reject
    what DID happened to the majority
    just because it did NOT happen to you!"
     
  6. midway40

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    Whatever. My advice to you is to start reflecting your avatar. It does wonders.
     
  7. 212eta

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    I am glad that some of you have SO solid ideas!
    One week product A,
    The next month, product B.
    Then, product C,
    Then, back to product A...and so on...
    There are 2 issues with it, which you deliberately, seem to ignore:

    1) When some of you with the frequently-changed avatars
    defend so firmly a product, we should take your remarks NOT seriously at ALL!
    Why? Because you have no idea about what you are saying!
    This month, you passionate defend and advertise Product A, whereas, the next
    month you forget it and start saying "yes, but...now, I prefer B...". Then, back to product A.

    But your careless is getting worse:
    2) Your irresponsible statements may be taken seriously by novice users,
    who -due to their inexperience-
    are impressed by your avatars and think that they are dealing with experts.

    I don't have a problem with you, as I can easily uncover your "experiense & expertise".
    However, don't believe that everybody in this Forum -expert or not- behaves like you:
    Changing frequently avatars according to the intere$t$ of the given time
    and misleading the readers with statements that
    you will revise/reject tomorrow when you will advertise another product!

    You are the ones who cancel the validity of your statements in the first place!
    Every time, you change a product, you change your views!
    And you do it VERY often, because you don't know what is going on (even inside your PC)!
    Do not expect from us to treat you with the proper seriousness!
     
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  8. Bubba

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    Whether someone changes their AV everyday or another changes their avatar 3 times a day, is not something that merits continual comments in nearly every thread about anti-virus software. Focus on the products not the people posting and their personal habits.

    The thread topic also concerns "Way to go OneCare!!!" not about Vista and users that have chose to install this operating system.

    I suggest those that wish to discuss matters other than this topics title do so privately or find a more appropriate thread to do so.

    Thanks,
    Bubba
     
  9. 212eta

    212eta Registered Member

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    1) Frequently Changing Avatars and Products
    is acceptable up to the point where there is no
    information misguidance (Deliberate or not).
    -They have the right to play with avatars and products as long as they want.
    -However, they have NO right to spread out inaccurate information especially
    when this kind of information can affect/influence inexperienced users!
    Sorry, this is the way I see things.

    2) It was not me who talked about Vista and OneCare initially.
    A poster presented OneCare as reason/excuse for running Vista on an old PC.
    I presented and supported a different view.

    Isn't this Forum what is all about?
    Presentation and Analysis of different views (?)

    Unless, you don't want to hear independent voices...

    With all my respect,


    212eta
     
  10. larryb52

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    I think that Midway is intitled to his opinion & you saw it as an opportunity to grind an axe into anyone that defends a Microsoft product, that's fine too but this has turned into a rock throwing contest & no one wins that, so keep to the topic as Bubba has reinterated your not being constructive but destructive...
     
  11. midway40

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    One common thread with MS bashers is that they always substitute "S" with "$". To me this negates the "unbiased" this poster claims to maintain in the sig.

    One other thing before I let this go. The avatar (PNG file) was graciously given to me by another kind soul on this forum who I cannot recall having contact with before (many thanks again! :) ). So not only it declares what security setup I use but I am also honoring the presenter by displaying it.
     
  12. 212eta

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    Indeed, I've been really destructive to the
    -deliberate or not-
    misinformation
    and the organized intere$t$ that some posters represent!
    Some FINAL questions for you:

    1) Are you sure that ALL these passionate product-supporters are nothing
    but innocent home (or not) users who simply love their products so much
    that came here to speak about them and exchange friendly views?

    2) Any chance that SOME of them are actually corporate dealers,
    who present themselves as home-users in order to cleverly promote their products?

    Any chance...

    Just think about it..

    I understood that some of them will be in a very difficult position
    if I start presenting some evidence!
    They know that I know and that I can also prove!
    But this is a Forum and not a Court-House.
    So, let it be...

    midway40,
    Since you have NO relationship with Micro$oft
    why do you care about how I write it?
    Why? Since it is NOT the company you work for?
    About the avatar: How touchy! I am about to cry!
    Nice story...

    Relax, I won't say more...
     
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  13. C.S.J

    C.S.J Massive Poster

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    this forum is biased!
    here is an unbiased comment for you,

    after reading that,

    it is confirmed, you are an asshole. :-*
     
  14. 212eta

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    I would expect a different approach from someone with your quality!
    Someone who has been with Dr. Web, changed to F-Secure, then back to
    Dr. Web...
    Relax...
    I know that you are so much exposed but you really need no vulgar language to use!
    Besides, you are such an expert that needs not to show such a behavior!
     
  15. Bubba

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    Likewise with the same respect, this thread is closed Thanks in no part to your rambling off topic dribble :cautious:

    I also suggest that instead of replying to a request to end the avatar discussion and other off topic discussion, that next time you consider the contents of your posts in the future so others that wish to stay on topic can enjoy a thread without your spillage.

    Regards and Happiest of Hoildays,
    Bubba
     
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