AV-Comparatives Results - Nov 2007 Retrospective/ProActive Test

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by C.S.J, Nov 30, 2007.

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  1. Macstorm

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    same here, never. No HIPS or such.
     
  2. Macstorm

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    where is it? afaik it's still beta..
     
  3. WSFuser

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    I meant it half jokingly. But I do use AV without HIPS beside it.
     
  4. bellgamin

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    I have had only a few FPs with DrWeb & Avira down through the years. I remember that one of those was a little app that dug around in Windows innards in order to identify certain licensing information. I suppose that sort of behavior gives the appearance of doing something that a malware might do. If so, I would not want to see that sort of FP stopped by changing the heuristic to ignore that sort of behavior in the future.

    Ergo, my concern is that an AV might reduce the aggressiveness of their heuristics in order to get "better ratings." Have some of the "advanced" & "advanced+" AVs already done that, I wonder? In any event, I will neither use nor recommend an AV that has low proactive detection. Period.

    Of course I would be thrilled if an AV discovers how to untie the gordian knot -- by finding a way to curtail FPs without ANY significant impairment to the protective effectiveness of its heuristics.

    >>>Perfect protection with zero FPs<<< -- I expect that miracle to be achieved any day now {at exactly the same moment that pigs start to fly, & we achieve a permanent peace in the Middle East.}
     
  5. aigle

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    lol. I agree!
     
  6. Straight Shooter

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    I don't..

    Symantec and Nod32 have been doing good, especially Symantec. With Gene Technology, someday Pigs WILL Fly!
     
  7. BlueZannetti

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    Actually, the results are already out there - they're called penguins - not too great on the flying side of things :)

    Blue
     
  8. De Hollander

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    Even further...
     

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  9. trjam

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    regardless of all, think I will stick what works best for me. As you all should so.;)
     
  10. dawgg

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    +1:thumb:
     
  11. SteveS335

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    But this is the problem. The tester's metrics are arbitrarily designated with no substantial reasoning behind it other than "OK I'll draw the line here, because I think that's the right place", and to make matters worse the tester has the audacity to make this statement on the results page "Please rely on the reached certification levels and NOT on the percentages"

    The award system should have no place in testing because it is only an opinion. I say let the figures speak for themselves in a professional test.

    Steve
     
  12. BlueZannetti

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    Actually, if you read the entire thread, it's clear this is not the case. The categorization is reasonable. The penalty applied after that categorization is, I agree, arbitrary. These are different issues.
    It's a perfectly reasonable position to take. Your disagreement with the result does not render the position taken audacious.
    Well, recalling the wringing of hands over seemingly statistically inconsequential result differences within the on-demand tests, the continual inability of many thread participants to have an even passing sense that the retrospective and on-demand tests are fundamentally different challenges, and so on, letting the figures speak for themselves might not yield such a stellar result either....

    Blue
     
  13. SystemJunkie

    SystemJunkie Resident Conspiracy Theorist

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    But high enough.

    You stole my opinion ;-) Exactly what I always said but nobody listened.
    Likely.
    Think so, don´t know why there are so many nod fans, really easy to bypass.
    That´s it!
    This is one big problem of Dr.Web related to FPs. They flag mass of files as possible backdoor only because they use a deletefile command, totally crazy. It´s not understandable why they do not change this.
    Exactly.
    Avira is by far more flexible in adapting their heuristics (they are much more attentive) in contrary to Dr.Web, they still very high because they do nothing to change their disastrous heuristical behaviour.
     
  14. Thankful

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    Most security software can be bypassed. This is news?
     
  15. Mele20

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    I have not read many good reviews of any of those products. If you want virtualization that actually works properly, is stable and doesn't slow your computer you need to get VMWare. They have free and paid products. Plus, no virtualization is simple. You have a learning curve. But if you want stable that won't wreck Windows then you need to get VMWare or even Microsoft's product not the junkware you mentioned. But these are not panaceas ...already there are lots of malware that is virtual machine aware. The real answer is what it has always been: a user who educates themselves about computers and computer security and always practices safe hex.
     
  16. solcroft

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    Will you please at least try the said products before publicly making comments that make you look unintelligent?
     
  17. aigle

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    Those are well known and stable products, by no means junkware. I wonder how you define junkware- all that is unknown to you is junkware?
     
  18. Arup

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    How about Threatfire? Is that Junkware as well?
     
  19. solcroft

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    Not really, what's news is that the fanboys insist on defending such a holey product; probably because they have no idea how weak it can be.
     
  20. IBK

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    "NOD32 and zero false positives? Thats utter nonsense."

    yeah. thats why the report says "ESET NOD32 had no false alarms in our set of clean files." and not "ESET NOD32 has no false alarms". so, you see how "easy" it is to have no false alarms in our set and what a shame it is that some other vendors have still so many FP's in it. Its like saying "product x and 17 FP's? Thats nonsense, product x has more than 17 FP's". Or all products that passed Virusbulletin tests have 0 false positives - thats then nonsense too ;)
     
  21. DVD+R

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    Your All Mad! :blink: Scattering like mice at the slightest indication your beloved AV should recieve a Low Mark in the Months Survey test. Havent you learned by now its All a ploy to get you to switch :ninja: Next month your newly chosen AV will recieve a lower mark than your previous beloved one, and you'll be scampering about like Mad Men reinstalling what you already had before you were made to switch :cautious: Gimme a break please, and give it a rest, Its getting tiresome :shifty:
     
  22. Arup

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    :D :D :D :D :D :thumb:
     
  23. Don johnson

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    I think some people should use Ikarus/Fortinet,they will detect more "virus",you will feel more "safe",but the premise is you have enough ability to distinguish if they are true viruses or false positives.
     
  24. DVD+R

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    You on their Sales team or something Don? :cautious:
     
  25. Mele20

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    I don't need those products. I have VMWare Workstation 5.5. :) I have also used Microsoft's product.

    I read a lot of user comments on those products and there were a lot of negative comments particularly regarding stability and ease of use.

    Besides, as I said, much malware is now virtually aware. That is good when the malware deliberately refuses to run or runs nicely on virtual machines but also bad because then users may put it on their host machines figuring it is ok and it unleashes in the host environment. Some malware is now targeted for virtual machines. I think virtual machines should be used for the right reasons which are not to avoid malware but for testing software and for enjoyment of a different OS. When I first got VMWare, virtual machines were a way to avoid malware...but not today.
     
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