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@ Jason,

A few days ago i found this new freeware:
http://www.resplendence.com/hookanalyzer

See:
https://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?p=611870#post611870

It shows which kernel hooked services that are used.

When i looked at that i saw that Ghost Security Suite
(Regdefend and AppDefend) are of course in the list,
but i see Kasperksy a lot there too.

Can you inform me if they all use there own hooked services,
or are these hooked services that be used for one Security Application OR
another.

With other words can i have problems, because these applications
want to use the same resources/ or kernel hooks/hooked services?

Over the years i have experienced that you can combine the most security tools, except Anti Virus apps.

Everybody tells you that you can't use 2 firewalls, and it is of course
not logical, but when i test this, in most cases it did not gave any problems.
(i only tested to see WHAT/WHERE the problems should be).

For this (for me quite new) apps like Appdefend , and partly overlapping features in ProcessGuard and Kis2006Beta or Tiny Personal Firewall 2005 Pro i really have no idea what the impact will be by using them together.

Will that disable some features (or malfunction) in one or the other?

Please give a technical answer, because i know you can,
others will only say that it is not neccessary to use them together,
but i like to learn why.

Thanks in advance,

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Theoritically there is little chance of issues arrising out of multiple programs hooking services. Assuming all the programs you are using are properly made that is.

I would just warn you that the KAV programmers still havn't managed to "grasp important concepts" when it comes to writing a lot of kernel components. And as such you will probably experience quite a few issues with their drivers. I know this after debugging crash dumps from my machine, a few of my beta testers and also some customers.

*edit* I don't want to look like I am only blaming KAV for having bad drivers, as other companies do aswell. I also hope that they work out their issues for their upcoming products.

 

Ever thought of doing some consultancy work for Kaspersky to teach their developers these important concepts ?

 

I think i am going to install NOD32 on that system,i am a licenced user anyway, and test K. on another system.

thanks Jason.

 

Hi Jason,

Being a user and a fan of Kaspersky products (I'm currently testing KAV/KIS 6 beta, and intend to use it when it goes final), I would be interested to know exactly what the problems are with Kaspersky kernel components, and what important concepts they haven't grasped. Please give a more technical answer.

If you don't mind I would then point them to this thread to begin a discussion.

I for one want to use GSS and KAV/KIS 6, and want them to run harmoniously together. I joked about you working for Kaspersky on a contract basis, but if you could convince the Kaspersky developers there are problems with the way they are implementing kernel components, then they might well offer you some contract work to teach them the correct way of doing things, if you were so inclined.

Even if you're not interested in working for Kaspersky in any way, I'd still appreciate an answer as to what they are doing wrong.

 

Hi Defenestration,

Kaspersky is a big company with many employees, if they want to figure out why their drivers are causing blue screens on their own, and in combination with other software then they are going to have to figure it out on their own.

I am not in the business of debugging other drivers past the point to where I know what is causing a particular issue with one of my customers or beta testers machines. It isn't worthwhile to my customers to help Kaspersky write their drivers when I am trying to get AppDefend onto a final release.

 

I didn't realise it was just BSOD's that were the problem. I thought you had identified particular implementation problems with their kernel drivers.

I have been running the Kaspersky betas ever since they were first released and only experienced about 2 BSOD's.

Your reply has put my mind at rest that Kaspersky's kernel drivers are not that badly implemented, but instead just suffering from a few bugs.

BTW, any more news on when we might get the next AD beta (it's been 2 weeks since you said the next beta would be released in 1 or 2 weeks ) ?

Yes, I am a bit of a beta junkie!