Mozilla shifts its stance on user data protection, says sale of data is broadly defined

Looks like I'll looking for a different browser.

 

Current version has slightly different wording.

An update on our Terms of Use
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/
Explanation by Mozilla makes sense to me frankly

 

ohttp explaind
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/ohttp-explained

and as i understood this feature only live for usa - since firefox 126. introduced with firefox 118. and there exists a switch for it. guess who failed.
neowin and ars are so wrong, and stupid.

nevertheless this feature need a change in the license text. for end users there is no change.

its one to moan about money from google to mozilla, but complaining when mozilla generates money - without losing user privacy - elsewhere to lower google dependencies - hard to understand.

 

@reasonablePrivacy: This current one is more palatable. Thanks.

 

This really is the worst timing for Mozila to insert their heads all up in themselves. With mv3 I had hoped people would start using it more, but that's not going to happen anymore. Now what's left? Brave, Vivaldi, or a Firefox fork?

 

well, if you consider this as "worst" - then its really time to separate sheep from shepherds, from believer to giver, from users to victims.

 

With definition of "selling" even curl and telnet are "selling" your data if you craft a command to connect to advertising company servers...

 

Replaced Firefox w/Waterfox.

 

Try Zen instead. It's not ESR based like Waterfox.

 

shouldnt waterfox be stable channel? anyhow its not simple to remove that code. next esr channel is v140 - and with v143 the 128 esr channel is dead. keep it with firefox, others have no fortune.

 

@n8chavez: Please clarify what you mean 'not ESR based'. Thanks

 

I'm not sure where that article got its information from, but it's incorrect. Firefox non-esr is currently on 135.01. Zen Browser is also using 135.01.

 

Thanks for clarifying, @n8chavez. I'll definitely consider it.

 

If you value customizability, like I do, there are really only two firefox forks that'll meet your needs. One is Zen, which (through addon) has an awesome vertical tabbed sidebar. The other is floorp. But Floorp 11.x is still using Firefox ESR.

 

Good to know, I'm more into simplicity these days but I'll take it for a spin. I'll probably keep both as it's always good to have a backup. Thanks again for your suggestion, much appreciated.

 

That is really a tempest in a teapot.

I think this article by Sören Hentzschel clarifies the discussion (translated with DeepL):

 

I tried to warn you guys years ago that Firefox is in fact spyware. This latest stuff is highly troubling, it basically means that Firefox can not be trusted any longer.

 

i have read this before, ofc in german. and i also read the original text from mozilla, before and after its clarifying changes.
its like all changing features, most of them need adjustment in legal license agreements.
i am no laywer, but i am a bit savvy to such texts. and it was needed.

some news writers are weighting mozilla speak with a gold scale, and are again so wrong. and so not related people - also in this thread - are not able to get the real fact behind so many fake news. and so the fud goes on. poor behavior.

to penelize those - mozilla has disabled telemetry for android firefox klar.

 

And if you can't trust them to keep their word, who says they won't renege on their promises about mv3.

 

Mozilla has stated that it will continue MV2. if you do not trust Mozilla, then its only consequent not to use Firefox or some of its forks.

to remember: no firefox means no forks. most authors of forks are no developer and have absolutely no clue about firefox coding. its one thing to find code snippets, to alter its setting, and pass the result to a compiler. its another, being able to alter or evolve code for a different behavior.

and if mozilla stop mv2, who cares? a lot of extensions are in transition to mv3. but - mozillas code for mv3 is not fully evolved. in fact adguard mv3 is not able to run in firefox because service worker is not able to run it.
google may jump ahead with its uncountable developers were mozilla has only few.

what people do not know - mozillas plans for mv3 do not cripple features like google did for chrome. so any ad blocker can use its full potential instead being reduced like adguard mv3 currently is in chrome - no own lists usable.

ad blockers are currently the only victims of the reduced and fixed lists. nevertheless adguard mv3 is doing a decent job.

 

This is exactly why I don't use any of the forks.

 

Exactly, that's why they probably don't allow to disable the update alerts, they keep bombarding you with these alerts, so that you keep updating, and so that they can sneak new spyware features into Firefox.

 

hi
what a sad news

what do you think about librewolf or waterfox?
and brave ?
and for the email client ,no more even thunderbird?

 

I usually never intervene in the Chromium/Firefox wars.
But it is not as you write.
Browser update alerts in Firefox can be disabled using the corresponding policies.
Whereas the alerts in Edge,despite the fact that I use many policies, I can't disable them because they can no longer be disabled.