Thanks Ron. It was time we had a thread for Betterbird. Site: https://betterbird.eu/index.html Lots of links and info there. Let's now post updates (and discussion) for Betterbird in this thread.
https://www.betterbird.eu/#featuretable If one needs those features is everyone's own decision. However, that article is largely BS. I've been using Thunderbird for many years and it has always been reliable for me. And when that article states that "Described as a 'soft fork' of Thunderbird, Betterbird chooses to follow the ESR releases for security reasons" - well, so does Thunderbird. Its stable version is based on Firefox ESR. So the author doesn't really know what he's writing about. That said, I might try Betterbird again.
i agree to the articles quality, gonzo and in parts wrong. thunderbird and firefox are developed from a non-profit company, the corporate makes money with selling additional services (pocket etc). i dont have doubt that BB might be better in parts, who need it. and ofc thunderbird and so betterbird rely on ESR builds of firefox - against keeping with the stable channel of firefox it makes more sense to have a stable mailer. but, some should have an eye on the nightly builds (ofc with a separate profile, maybe as portable, i do). currently mozilla is merging K-9 and thunderbird, in code and features. the team behind thunderbird is much smaller than for firefox. also one reason why one person can achieve same or more. i have read now other articles where Knobloch spoke himself. i can understand his issues with development so it was only reasonable he left mozilla. nevertheless the feature comparison shows a bit his arrogance about thunderbird and mozilla although he is a capable developer. what i miss is the honoring of general code he do not need to fix because broken. that is valid for any fork, either firefox or thunderbird. the mozilla team is fixing general issues, eg Knobloch is only adding or altering code for his product. they still forget that if the product is abandoned, the others are dead too.
The site https://betterbird.eu/releasenotes/index.html is telling at the moment: But maybe better to wait until the confusion with TB is fixed. See my recent post: https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/thunderbird-stable-releases.377000/page-25#post-3181437
TB 115.7.0 was not released yet, only an RC(1). it makes BB untrustworthy to release a not final staged build to customers. and it has reason that Mozilla has staged rollout to revoke builds if serious issues appear. BB has no updater and no updatecheck like TB, user need to check themselves and need to rely on his builds, not on trusted sources.
Let me make absolutely it clear and read the Mozilla sites: 1. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2024-04/ There is no talk about any RC(1) there! Can you read? 2. Argh, I better stop now. You can read my recent post today at the TB thread. It is Mozilla fault and from nobody else. Period!
i did not read because i dont care - i dont care about announcements which tell there exist no 115.7 or still 115.6.1 which is the current release. even the release folder did not exist when i wrote on 7:48 pm. so JK has had to use another build than the final build. thats the same view to the things then using a code base which was not released. and its not Mozillas fault when its not available on https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/all/#E (your link) there is nothing wrong at mozilla, if it is not ready to load, then its not ready. and thus using betterbird is usage on users own risk. just another gonzo "i am first" for me. if some want a discussion about BB then users need all aspects, not only one side. PS i forgot that mozilla is driving tests since 4 days with the RC, how strange to claim a mozilla fault but to rely on their test because it seems he do not perform this and only grab the possible final code stage? mozilla has the whole work, he is just adding some tweaks. any of his comparisons and show case are very arrogant from him. and he ask for donations, this is kinda ridiculous. to make it clear, its not betterbird, its him. i never read similar for floorp, or waterfox.
Whether we like it or not, the official announcement by Mozilla is here: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2024-04/ That is the official site by Mozilla. No mention there about RC(1) or whatever at the moment. If there is a problem, it should be noted there!
Betterbird 115.8.0-bb24 "Superstar" (21 February 2024) https://betterbird.eu/downloads/index.php Release Notes: http://betterbird.eu/releasenotes/index.html
FYI Version 115.9.0 was replaced with "build 2" on 20 March 2024. http://betterbird.eu/downloads/index.php PS: Thanks to members at DSLR yesterday: https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r33853001-Thunderbird-Thunderbird-v115-9-0-available As was posted there with respect to "build 2":
