Windows 10 Creators Update, non-Insiders opportunity.

Note about Smartscreen in CU.

Some may find that they can't set SS for Edge to Block , that is normal (or a bug ) , you must disable SS in Edge , move the one in the security center to block , then re-enable SS in Edge.

 

In my machine Windows defender caused Edge to hang. I had to force close it using task manager Installed GData and now Edge works fine

 

You know, that's a weird little holdover from the Anniversary Edition. Persistent.

 

I'm running Norton Security and Appguard on this version right now, and all is well. I did a wipe and clean install of the new version though, which I do with every iteration, after reading some of this thread, it should be self evident why I do so.

 

For members of this forum (or other security forums) , clean install should be the default method, people here have the skill to do it.

 

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Users in this forum and others like it should have mastered clean installs long before taking on security. It is not difficult, and here with windows 10, is not time intensive like windows 7 was, especially after time when you had well over 200 updates to install after a clean install.

With my significant others system, she had over 19 GB of photos/documents, over 645 speed dials for her Chrome ect, and still, simply placing a new flash drive in, moving those personal files and a export file of those dials, and I was up and running with a clean install with most of her stuff placed back within two hours, leaving a copy of it all on the flash drive as a extra back up. This included watching the drivers and versions placed and manually placing "newer versions in", as I recommend everyone to watch, even though support of older/newer system drivers is getting better, they are generally still older versions, some of which will have limited functionality, such as the case with the AMD GPU driver MS was trying to cram into my system which left AMD Settings somewhat corrupted, unable to perform its own check for updates.

 

Weird. I just checked and I don't seem to have any issues with smartscreen
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I tested it in AMTSO. If you pick block it says "Your System administrator blocked....". Which is different from the warn option, so it does seem like it's working fine. And no, this is not on a clean installation. I haven't encountered any issues(at least any that bothers or hinders me in any way).

 

I am sure clean installs are ideally the way to go, but for me it will always be a last resort due my number of softs, settings and customisations, even though I have these backed up.

Edit: So far no real visible issues, except #172, despite having a nuclear arsenal of security softs . I did disable these during the update.

 

It takes more "skill" to keep a system clean and well-maintained. Don't feel like reinstalling all my stuff, I'm lazy. So? Update Assistant worked like a snap, the event viewer tells the truth. And smartscreen does indeed set to "block" for Edge, on a "dirty" install.

 

Even though I upgraded last night via WU I do plan on doing a clean install as I mentioned last night.

Question: If I do a Recovery and reset (choosing to whack all personal files etc) will that be a "clean install?" Just curious as I have never tried it. If not no worries, my ISO is ready on my flash drive.

 

That stinks but I do see you got your issues sorted.

 

A clean install isn't definitely the usual way of an installation and for me it is the last resort. Even though I know how to do it, I hate it in fact. I'm always doing everything to avoid it.

 

A lot of the Security software in this forum, is best placed on a clean system for max compatibility and of course to ensure the system is clean so that malicious items are not whitelisted ect. Many of these same softwares need to have protection lowered to do a upgrade/update leaving the system vulnerable. This is not to mention that certain upgrades and updates in the past have broken things by MS such as the Windows Updater issue that was present a few cumulative updates ago.

I find it imperative to learn and perform clean installs before ever learning how to place and set security. Matter of fact, placing and setting security properly relies upon a non corrupted system image.

 

@pegas I undertsand your view, but you just have to do it only once a year (with a new upgrade), then make a backup with all your important apps installed. At least you will have now a clean, malware free system.
i like to clean install (or at least restore a backup from a clean install).

@illumination i agree with you

 

Clean installs are too much work. I'm not having any issues and would have to locate all of the software I have and get it reactivated which is more hassle than it is worth to me. I used to clean install Windows 95 once a week, 98 once a month, and XP once a year. Since Vista and forward, I have not found it necessary. If you're having issues or got infected sure. Otherwise, meh.

 

Most software if uninstalled before the wipe, will preserve the license. Backing up licenses and installers for said software can ease that pain

It is a "to each their own", and something myself and many others know to be the proper way.

 

So far two things got broke that I have seen. WAR stopped working. Logging into Netflix through IE stopped working.
support from Netflix said it had something to do with how it watches for changes. Had me download and install the Netflix app and that worked to login.

 

Nothing at all wrong with using the internal update methods. So what? Going that route can be a very pragmatic thing to do if you have a clean system already and don't want the tedious job of software reinstallation. On the other hand, I have the Windows setup on a 16 gb USB for a repair install (preferred) but you can also use the Windows Defender refresh, right? I don't know about "other security forums." But you're not "uncool" or incompetent if you don't do a clean installation. I just don't think so.

 

Why do people do clean install? It is just a feeling of spring when everything is renewed and of course not 100 % sure of not being infected or other issues.
Or paranoia will destroy ya.

 

CU is a very smooth and problem free upgrade, it actually feels more like an update than an upgrade, most of the settings are kept. MS did a really great job with this one.

 

@Trooper.
Thanks again for your support. To @stapp too, as he say on #183 I'm one of those users.
BTW Troops you must have missed my post #170, all works fine now (more or less considering I can't use MBAE and don't dare to reinstall VS)

 

You are welcome. Glad you got it sorted. As for me, I ended up doing a clean install today. Gained back about 10GB of space (roughly) and took care of my OCD telling me the remnants had to be removed!

EDIT: I too for the moment am running just WD. Not that I feel super safe but I do use OpenDNS at home for content filtering plus uBlock Origin with Malware domain lists included. Until some of my favorite anti virus vendors have something that is compatible, I am just going to sit tight with WD. For the first time in a long time I might add.

 

I apologize if this is what you have taken away from my statements, as it is not my intention what so ever.