Windows 10 Announced - Released 29-Jul-2015

I know you guys dont like the idea of updates being automatic and mandatory which i can agree with but you have to look at this from a different angle. How many of you have cleaned or fixed friends/relatives pcs for malware and noticed they havent had updates installed in months. A lot of the updates Microsoft releases are security updates which will help prevent a lot of infections people would normally get from not updating.

In the end i think this is a good choice from Microsoft but thats just my opinion.

 

Forced updates is a good idea in theory, but in practice, particularly consider the past year and all the borked updates and problems resulting from them from MS, it just isn't going to work, and will only be a disaster for both the user and MS.

Picture this... you have 10 Home edition, and forced updates. An update this month borks your system or otherwise screws things up to the point where you have to restore the OS from an image or from 10's restore function. Ok... now you're back to normal, but then here comes the update all over again, borking you once more, and forever more in a continuous cycle of restores and borks. That just doesn't fly, no matter how nice it sounds in theory.

I belive MS will be forced to reconsider this policy before too long, and that sticking with it will just generate many many problems and unpleasant experiences.

 

I did a clean install of build 10240 on and old laptop. It had a serious issue with Windows Update where it was not able to install a dfinitions update for Windows Defender. I can not ignore the update (I prefer not to use Windows Defender) or install any other updates. It would be great to have the standard Windows Update app.

Rather than trying to fix it, I'm going to installer an older OS. As aside from the Windows Update issue, there are serious with audio latency.

 

Does a normal user even know/care that from now on updates will be automatic ?

 

Probably not, until something screws his system up, then he starts to care. Would be great if they just left the existing default automatic updates alone, which worked quite well anyhow, and also gave us some choice in the matter, when needed. Forcing updates really serves no useful purpose, unless they want to be able to force perhaps some potentially unwanted "features" on us, and give us no say in the matter of how the OS evolves in the future...

 

Sorry Microsoft, but I want to decide whatever and if install the updates, also security updates, especially considering all past problems and bugs produced by some update. I wonder if a good HIPS will be able to control the update service.

 

I was thinking what happens if the computer can not connect to Microsoft at all ?

Since even professional version only let's you delay updates for 7 months.

Take an old computer and make something like "Smooth-Wall" Linux firewall and completely block Microsoft access.

Will Windows 10 "Scream and Shout" or just quit working after a period of time ?

rrrh1

 

10 reasons to upgrade to Windows 10 (by ghacks)

 

I still don't understand those tile apps (the ones that show on the right of the start menu).
Are they programs, uninstallable ones, or just cloud services (or both)?
Is there a centralized way of getting rid of all of them?

 

@Joxx

Haven't tried any of this but did save these links at some point.

http://www.howtogeek.com/197836/8-ways-to-customize-the-windows-10-start-menu/

http://www.howtogeek.com/197586/how-to-make-the-windows-10-start-menu-look-more-like-windows-7/

 

Microsoft makes another subtle change to Windows 10

From the Windows Store. You can't install/use any one App on more than 10 devices at any one time with the same Microsoft account. Under W8, it was 81 (still is).

"There are families, companies, or organizations that are using the same account for multiple devices, so this new limitation might be a problem for all them."

http://news.softpedia.com/news/wind...10-devices-with-the-same-account-487300.shtml

 

LOL, just what I thought, there is hardly any reason to upgrade except for that it's free. And are they kidding me about "making updates mandatory"?

 

Apparently not, having my computer completely borked and I didn't do it and can't fix it because the files that did the borking keep on re-downloading to re-Bork the computer the computer again doesn't really appeal to me.

 

There's a ramification here that's been missed: if M$ releases a forced update that causes a problem, the onus is on them (or the OEM) to fix it. Knowing this, M$ may be a little more astute with their updates. If not, load and pressure from users and OEMs, I would think, would reinforce "ounce of prevention vs. pound of cure".

 

If the quality of their updates doesn't improve (and I don't think it will), then they will eventually have to re-evaluate this decision...

 

Thanks.

 

What about imaging strategies and Windows 10 Home mandatory updates? Previously one would take an image of the system before the monthly patch cycle. Now updates will be issued as and when automatically. How will users know when to image the system before updates are applied?

I was thinking it may be best to stick to a routine of imaging at the weekend as updates unlikely to be delivered then.

Thoughts?

 

It won't matter whether you image your system at all or not. The image will be useless. Let's say you have an update that borks your system. You restore your image, but lo and behold, the offending little update just comes right back again and borks you all over again. And on and on in an endless cycle of terror. There's no way out of this situation. Images won't do any good, nor will anything else.. If you're counting on MS figuring out and fixing whatever it is that borked your system with that update, you could be waiting for months or longer.

The forced updates situation on 10 Home is a total disaster waiting to happen. There is no escape from this... Even in Pro, you can only *defer* the updates, they'll still come eventually because you can't actually exclude any of them.

 

As Rolo42 above said, one would hope Microsoft will be more careful with these Home version automatic updates if they're delivering them in this manner. The onus is on them to make sure they don't screw up, and if they do, to quickly put it right. Obviously if their plans don't work then they're going to have to rethink that strategy.

Ideally options should be available to the user as before.

 

Yep, agreed... Based on the past year's experience though, and what I've seen using the Insider Previews, I'm not too optimistic... but we'll see.

 

I am pretty sure that someone will write a bit of code that will prevent windows updates from downloading automatically. As with other programs that provide workarounds, it will be all over the web in no time. The obvious risk is that the W10 EULA states that you accept MS terms and conditions when you get your free upgrade - you will be in violation of that agreement. If it gave you a few days grace period would you install such a program anyway? Guess it is a matter of weighing the risk, potentially bricked PC or violate the EULA - both have their consequences.

 

There's a MS support page regarding automatic updates that might be of use: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

I haven't tested the provided troubleshooter thoroughly but it seems to do what it's supposed to.

 

Given the assumption that the average user more or less implicitly trusts Microsoft, deductive reasoning would suggest that they would most likely prefer automatic updates.
Easy, convenient, fastidious and precise.

 

Have you ever watched a herd of sheep in a field? They are presented with everything they need by others. When a threat looms they panic and run in all directions, eventually crowding tightly together again and bleating in fear. They turn in circles around each other expecting the sheep dog will take responsibility for their safety. It is all so easy and convenient as all the sheep have to do is watch and wait. They trust it will all work out just fine - this is the DNA of the average sheep. The average user does not have the DNA of a sheep, but they choose to act as though they do.

 

I hate it when they don't give complete control, and as you described, it's also an extremely dumb idea.