The Symantec/Norton Thread.

Agreed, and I actually appreciate this part. Even when I say I hate Google, I OTOH say I much appreciate their huge contribution to whole IT security. In short, it's still another story, I separate them, but yeah still much better than some big name who forgot about social contribution...A**l*...

 

Mine too...

 

BTW, how does Norton Security deal with PUPs? I don't see any option in the settings to detect PUPs

 

Run with MBAM.

 

So tha't's a NO for my question? I won't run MBAM due to high FPs and I'd never run 2 security solutions at the same time no matter what exclusions I can add. I simply don't do it. My security layer is an ad blocker, a firewall in my router, and a good AV + some common sense. You probably know that to me try to strike the best balance between security and performance and I have a performance detector built into my heart that can alert me for any slowdown

No seriously, pretty sad if NS doesn't catch PUPs.

 

It does catch PUPs and generally does a good job because of the reputation technology (File Insight).

If you are serious about PUPs install Unchecky or change back to Eset Nod32 / Emsisoft Anti Malware


http://unchecky.com/

 

Ahh yes the file insight, you reminded me that did catch a few stuff before I forgot about it. Was wondering where the PUP setting is but now I realize the Norton File Insight probably catches these things.

As to unchecky, I don't need that, I know how to install stuff without ticking anything, that's for n00bs

 

Norton does catch some PUPs, but not on the level something like ESET does. MBAM runs fine with NS, but if it's not for you, then it's not for you.

 

Thanks dawg

 

Somewhere in Wilders there is a thread on setting Norton up to kill PUPs.

Mostly it's relating to turning sensitivity up to aggressive, and removal of 'low risk'. Dialed up properly, I have yet to see a PUP ever make it through Norton - mostly due to Insight AND Reputation.

 

Norton does detect PUPs as Potentially Unwanted Applications, but only when they cross a line.

http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/all-about-grayware


Potentially Unwanted Application


Programs that computer users wish to be made aware of. These programs include applications that have an impact on security, privacy, resource consumption, or are associated with other security risks. These programs can show a pattern of installation without user permission or notice on a system or be deemed to be separate and different from the application installed.


http://www.symantec.com/security_response/landing/azlisting.jsp?azid=P

Norton isn't as aggressive on PUPs as some other programs.

 

Ok, thanks Krusty.

 

I'm checking the chinese forum everyday to see if symantec starts to sell NS22 here, just like what I do for my phone's Android 5 update..

 

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SEP's use of DEP & ASLR is very good.

Your Pal,

-Frank

 

Maybe pigs do fly....

What's odd is that "NIS 2015" and "NAV 2015" are being sold in box packs here. I do not know what is inside those boxes because I thought these products were replaced by Norton Security....

This shouldn't be something that needs to be configured - it ought to work well right out of the box. Maybe switching to NOD32 or Emsisoft is a better idea afterall.

 

NS 2015 makes no pretense that it kills PUPs. Take a look at the NS 2015 forums, it's loaded with user question about why NS 2015 didn't kill this virus or spyware. None of them were malicious, they were all PUPs. I believe there is a setting that allows you to set it so it automatically deletes "low risk" files and programs. My understanding is that NS 2015 will go after some PUPs if they are capable of acting maliciously. It does nothing against mere annoyances such as adware that will not harm your OS or steal personal info.

Yeah , if you want PUP defense you need to go Emisoft, Malwarebytes, Webroot to a certain degree, hit man Pro as an on demand, maybe some others I am not aware of. Most security vendors are afraid to go after PUPs for legal reasons. First, the user may have consented to its installation while downloading free ware and who knows? Maybe somewhere in the Universe there are some idiots that like adware
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For PUPs you allow to be installed while downloading freeware by not paying attention, there is a nice little freeware program called "Unchecky"

http://unchecky.com/

 

Webroot for PUP? No. Apparently you missed my posts/logs in the WR thread where my father in-law's machine was loaded up with PUA/PUP's, and Webroot said they were largely 'harmless'. WSA has never been good with PUP/PUA detection from what it appears. Unchecky is marginal, as it only works with a 'few' products.

While Emsisoft and MBAM are kings of pup fighting. Norton is entirely capable of keeping PUP/PUA's off of your system, provided you set it correctly. I put it on a couple of 'severe clicker' systems, and haven't seen a PUA/PUP make it on yet. Part of the reason is if you set Insight higher, Norton simply won't allow PUP's to be installed by virtue of the fact that PUP's have a lower reputation. I don't have the settings in front of me but it's not rocket science.. Aggressive, Always, Low Risk ticked max, etc. It does just fine in that regard.

 

ESET detects more PUPs than Emsi.

 

and has no FPs

 

Every product has FPs.

 

Hello

Is this the setting you might be talking about for LOW RISK?

It gives three choices.
1. remove
2. ignore
3. ask me

the default setting is ask me.

 

That is interesting. I think it used to be automatic / remove / ask me and the default was automatic. They either changed something or my recollection of it is wrong.

 

just double checked and it is remove ignore or ask me but maybe I am not seeing the right section for PUPS either. I also see Sonar advanced mode has an aggressive mode set to auto by default and undr that is a remove risks automaticly tab set to High-Certailny only by default but can be set to always or ask me.