Hi MrWeary. The 66.6gb snapshot is not an error. From what i can tell, HDS have changed the way that snapshot sizes are calculated. For me the new convention makes more sense. In your case the "Installation snapshot" size of 66.6gb is correctly showing the amount of data locked in that all important first snapshot. In previous versions, I always thought it strange that the first snapshot was tiny (333mb on my 55gb system). Now, my first snapshot size is 55GB which to my mind reflects the actual size of the snapshot since it is the very first one. Subsequent snapshots will only be as large as the changed data from its parent snapshot as you can see from your second snapshot. I'm not sure if you are aware of this but RB works at the sector level where each snapshot binds the sectors that are relevant to it to that snapshot. RB does not duplicate the data. So in your case RB has not created a new snapshot that hold 66.6gb of data but rather has locked (binded) that data to the first snapshot. This is why it now correctly shows up as 66.6gb as the first snapshot. I hope this makes sense.
Sure Does .. Thanks .. Just never seen snap shots that big before .. been using rollback for years :/
Yeah, the same thing happened to me, paid for one year, cancelled after a while the auto-renewal, and was denied an upgrade to v10. After a short discussion with their "support" I got a new license key and was told the old one was no longer valid now. Not that I'd cared if they'd denied me the upgrade, as I will never install any software from them again for the rest of my days. But I had paid, so I wanted a new key, principle you know.
Rollback Rx v10 backup impossible Made a disk backup while trying to create an EFI partition manually. Used Acronis from bootable drive to backup and recover. But after recovery all data applied after installation snapshot was gone, Rollback RX was not functioning anymore and MBR had to be fixed before windows could boot.
Rollback Rx v10.2, Drive Cloner 5.1, and Windows 8.1 I was a long time user of RRX (since ver 7). That stopped when I installed Windows 8 and RRX stopped working for me (understatement). I also became frustrated waiting for a compatible backup utility (Drive Cloner). I see Drive Cloner 5.1 was released. Is it now compatible with RRX 10.2 when running Windows 8.1? Or are we still waiting for Drive Cloner Rx v6.0? The DC RX benefits page states "Drive Cloner Rx Version 5 integrates seamlessly with RollBack Rx V10 delivering a complete disaster recovery solution - Protecting you from ANY PC disaster". The DC RX 5.1 release notes page states "Fully supports Windows 8/8.1 with GPT Partition". Somehow I think not all three are compatible.
Re: Rollback Rx v10 backup impossible Smuch, unless you did a RAW or ALL SECTOR backup with Acronis, that's exactly what should have happened with an RBrx protected system when backing it up outside of the protected Windows system (Acronis external bootable drive).
Reboot Restore RX new version: http://www.horizondatasys.com/en/products_and_solutions.aspx?ProductId=18
In my world, software needs to operate correctly. And I suspect in many of your worlds as well. When I look at the buglist of RBRX I'm just shocked! Running RBRX introduces all sorts problems into a very basic function of your computer - the filing system. I can understand bugs and all that in games and unimportant entertainment software. But to shake the very foundation of your computer? Ouch! http://www.horizondatasys.com/en/rollback_buglist.ihtml How many undiscovered issues will show up next month? How many issues are we working with now, just waiting to blow up on us? One thing is for certain, storage technology, o/s configuration, and capacity will continue to evolve at a pace faster than HDS is going to be able to support [these changes]. People whom I've helped out recovering from corrupted RBRX installs have universally reported to me that they felt like they were in an ongoing beta test scenario.
There are many who feel this way and have jumped from Rx to AX64. I highly recommend that those dissatisfied with HDS take a look at AX64 which offers what RX supposedly offers (but a tad slower) without the shortcomings. Its a hybrid program (imaging/snapshot) and a hot restore only takes a few min with a USB 2 drive --- USB 3 and solid state are, of course, much faster. There is an AX64 thread on this forum (its huge BTW). The program is very simple to use and it works. BTW, unlike RX, snapshots are stored on a drive other than the protected one and the MBR is not touched.
After suffering irreparable damage from the early releases of RBX 10.2, I totally agree with the above statement. And true enough, I had AX64 to rescue me. So there...
It's an absolute certainty that Rollback Rx cannot be discussed reasonably on this board. There are people with an agenda against Horizon Datasys, and Rollback in particular, that make sure a reasonable discussion cannot exist. I hate to say it, since I love this board, but any reasonable discussion of Rollback Rx must be conducted elsewhere. For what it's worth. I've use Rollback Rx for years. I'm aware of nearly any problem that has been associated with it. I run images of my drive, and MBR that allows me to restore my drive even if Rollback encoded and reversed everything on my drive. It's not all that difficult or work-intensive. With that precaution, I get to enjoy the most intuitive and simple restoration package available. I've used, and hold licenses to nearly every restoration package available, such as IR, AX64, Farstone's packages, Keriver One-Click, or what-have-you. The simplest, most trustworthy, and most versatile is Rollback Rx by a long shot. Review all the Rollback threads, and you'll find the same agenda-driven trashers ruining each thread beyond repair.
I also used Rx for years (versions 7 to 9) and personally did not have any issues with Rx but then I never installed 10. My real problem was with HDS itself and its lack of clarity/honesty, and SUPPORT. By all means keep using it if you wish but if anyone is unhappy there is a viable alternative. PS: its interesting that HDS trashed the old forum and got rid of all the complaints that were logged there, both about RX and especially support.
The problems at HorizonDatasys are not caused by the users/posters, they are caused by HorizonDatasys.
Hey guys yes the new Drive Cloner Rx 5.1 is out and it does support Windows 8 & 8.1 as well as the GPT partition and the UEFI Bios. However this version 5.1 currently cannot image the snapshots from rollback as of yet, this feature will be included when Drive Cloner Version 6 is released. You can read about it more here : http://www.horizondatasys.com/en/products_and_solutions.aspx?ProductId=4
Empath, I'm with you. I absolutely love Rollback RX and although I personally have experienced some shakey ground with some builds of RB, I have persevered because frankly no other product comes close to the speed of RB. Some have convinced themselves that AX64 ( a program that i also love and have installed) is comparable in speed but in reality it just isnt. Dont get me wrong. AX64 is definitely the fastest in it's class (imaging programs) but it doesn't hold a candle to RB's speed ( less than 3 sec most of the time). The big issue people have with RB is its reliability. I have accepted this major short coming a long time ago and like you, I am always well prepared for a speedy recovery. GENERAL For the record, since the last 3 builds of RB, i have had no reliability issues. I have had the latest build (v10.2.2698813454) installed since 26/12/2013 and have had some hard resets (unrelated to RB ) from which RB has recovered 100% (ie CHKDSK did not trash my HD). I'm running W7x64 on a Samsung SSD 840 PRO. I have done countless restores and snapshots and deleted just as many. If it was going to die on me, it would have happened many times by now. RB has earned my confidence again because i persevered with it. But nothing is foolproof so im always prepared for a speedy recovery via third party imaging programs. In my eyes, i definitely have the best of both worlds. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, especially the bad ones (this is how a product is improved). But one needs to remember that not everyone has bad experiences with RB.
Where did you read where someone said restoring AX64 was just as fast as RRX? I don't think that has ever been said. AX64 is a complete backup/restore solution where RRX offers no backup. If your HDD dies with RRX, you are screwed. Since Drive Cloner is not compatible with RRX when running Windows 8.1, AX64 is a much more complete solution, however slower to revert than RRX.
Empath, I'm not sure the discussion you're looking for can occur anywhere. Wilders has always been a fairly balanced environment, especially as far as users are concerned. But what you see are former RBrx users that have been burned BADLY by Rollback. It's one thing to have a new or recent build of a new piece of software (i.e., AX64 v1.x for example) that has a mouse that doesn't work from a RECOVERY MEDIA or a recovery operation that doesn't work at all from a certain hardware platform... heck, this is v1 and the problems are not earth shattering. Rollback is at v10 and many of the individual problems continue to be VERY BAD. I'm currently working with a poor user who did nothing but upgrade his system from a successful v9.1 operation to a v10.2 (done in the proper way) and his system is now completely unBOOTable and unusable... 3-mo worth of data down the drain (I'm guessing he didn't use an imaging program for backup). HDS has been working feverishly with him to no avail... that's why he's stepped into the background over here at Wilders for some possible support from knowledgeable users. My comment here is that other programs have small inconvenient problems, but when Rollback fails, it fails horribly. Your experience has been very good... so has all the CORPORATE clients HDS has in this area. Why... 'cause they're dealing with one configuration on thousands of machines, and luckily that configuration happens to work well. When you enter the general user community with a product like this, you run into thousands of configurations, and many of them cause havoc with Rollback... they don't just have little failures, they have devastating failures. I, like you, was a very happy camper with v9.1. After working with HDS on some intricate issues (and that was tough with their support), I finally got smoothly running. I then dug into RBrx so that I completely understood how it worked in the system environment, which enabled me to deal with certain issues associated with rootkits and virii... I knew the product well. I then tried to move into the v10.2 environment and the walls started coming down, starting with the inability to even install it on the same system v9.1 had been running on for years. Their DevTeam worked closely with me (this had never happened before with any serious problem I ever had) and we fixed the issue which was applied to their general release (it needed to be). Then in trying to test it, snapshots became haphazard... 3-sec. for one, 2-min. for the next, the 3rd never finished, etc. Then there was always the TRIM support issue associated with SSDs... still not completely settled in my mind. I have since put it's testing on the back burner. We tried to have civilized discussions over in the HDS forums but the problem was there were too many burned users with serious problems and literally no response from HDS support. So how did they solve that... they blew the old forum away (along with all the negative press that went along with it) and put up a new set of forums... from scratch. So what do we have now... a very sparse RBrx forum (I really don't know how many users are left... don't hear much), BUT... decent response from HDS as far as "words" are concerned (this never happened in the past so they have learned something along the way). My only "new" support experience was very good as far as that RBrx non-install... hopefully others have found the same, although not that poor user who is trolling the halls of Wilders looking for some help. That reasonable discussion you're looking for... I'm not sure where it could occur anymore, in many cases, too much pain, too much suffering. You can always retry the new forums over at HDS... although I'm not sure there are many users over there anymore. Remember, CORPORATE issues are probably handled though wired-in support paths that may never see a forum.
Empath... I hope you take the time to listen to what the folks here have to say here regarding rollback. I too, was a loyal rollback user and customer...until version 10.2 came along... (I was not familiar with AX64 at that time...otherwise I would not be here asking for help for rollback disasters). After installing that junk, and contacting horizon over and over asking for help but just getting scavenger this and scavenger that which never worked, I realized that I was not a customer what a beta tester instead. Please re-read what froggie said above. What he said is what I was thinking however my thought was less technical in nature. Currently froggie is trying to help me fix my problems that were caused by rollback. Even the most basic program designed for backup and recovery has an optional emergency disc or utility as part of its software package. Rollback has nothing in case of this. I'm 54 years old and I have over 25 years of business and family data on my computer that I cannot just reformat and do the standard reinstall of Windows. I should have had a backup drive but I gave my extra drive to my daughter for college trying to save some money. I put my faith in rollback as my backup software of choice, like you're doing now, and the only thing that got rolled-back was my trust in them. The folks on here who you think are trashing them are actually just frustrated with Horizon because of their terrible lack of software support. They want to get rid of you quickly by saying they can't guarantee anything you should have known better attitude. Nearly every email I get from them in response to my concerns always ends with the standard disclaimer of it's not our fault you installed this...try scavenger! Its all we Got! Still don't believe me? Try typing this long post I'm sending to you with glasses and using a small Android cell phone at my age. Because my PC has been down for 3 and a half months begging horizon for a solution. Thank goodness for guys like TheRollbackFrog and bgoodman4 and others who do take the time to help or give advice.I think the folks at Horizon mean well but their software is not ready for primetime especially in the consumer market. If they wanted beta testers they should have asked for some instead of holding your subscription hostage as an excuse for whether you get (what they call gold) tech support or at least have some kind of disaster recovery procedures or utilities in place. I hope you don't find out the hard way like I did. I put my eggs in one basket and they got broke big time. If it weren't the guys here trying to help me I don't know where I would be. Hopefully you won't wind up like I am now. If I could just restore one baseline or snapshot I would be up again and horizon with their own software are at lost so far to help me do that. The most frustrating thing is that my problem is not unique. Other folks had similar issues just like mine. And you think they would've ironed out these problems before they put out version 10.2. they simply don't care... As smart as they are to develop rollback... I'm pretty sure it is very easy for them to develop a rescue utility accessible from windows OR dos (instead of just depending on the sub console or scavenger in an emergency because they don't work)...like most do If I ever get my PC working again the first thing I will do is uninstall that crap and go to AX64...and a new backup drive.
The parts from your post that I underlined above are in contradiction and explain clearly the problem with RollBack-RX/EAZ-Fix 1) You say that to fully enjoy RBRX you use imaging and MBR backup/restoration tools. So, you use other utilities to babysit a program that it's supposed to babysit your system... 2) If it was the simplest and most trustworthy and most reliable fast restoration program, then you would not need to use imaging and mbr backup/restoration tools now, would you? Panagiotis
@ RickFromPhila Start a new thread describing how your disk was partitioned, what steps/action have you performed before things went south (e.g. was RBRX protecting the entire disk or the system partition only?, did you modify/resize/etc other partitions with the RBRX installed?) and what actions you performed after.... (RBRX "saved your ass" from disaster ) Panagiotis
It is not that they do not want to develop a restoration/recovery tool. It is simply impossible for them to do it because of RBRX nature; if RBRX's indexing/file table gets destroyed or corrupted there is no way to recover or rebuild it... Panagiotis
On Rollback home page, free version is mentioned. Is it new free version or free version was already there? Is Rollback stable & reliable?
good new for all the people who love rollback rx RollBack Rx Home Edition is a FREE instant time machine for your windows workstation. It is a comprehensive Windows System Restore solution that empowers users and IT administrators to easily restore their PC's to any previous state within seconds. RollBack Home Edition helps users better manage and lockdown Windows based PC's. Any unforeseen incidents such as user errors, viruses or even botched software installations can be instantly reversed in seconds! Version: 1.0 Build: 201503091326 Last Updated: 10 Mar 2015 Requirements: Windows 2000, XP, Vista, Windows 7, 8 & 8.1 (all 32 and 64 bit versions) KEY FEATURES Go back to any previous point in time within seconds. Go back minutes, hours, days, weeks, or even months to any previous snapshot. Will not affect computer performance and uses minimal system resources. Supports up to 7 snapshots. Creates a complete system snapshot without having to restart the system. Will reverse any system crash within seconds (even if Windows cannot startup). Ability to back out of any failed program and OS updates as well as botched updates. Recover from any malware or virus attack within seconds. Compatible with VMWare and Virtual Machines, both as a host or within the virtual machine as a client. Locks snapshots to prevent automated deletions. Complete with a intuitive GUI based snapshot manager. Explore, browse and retrieve files and folders from any snapshot. Drag and drop them into your active system. Roll backwards as well as forwards to any available system snapshot. Allows users to safely test any software, and complete a 100% uninstall. Ability to retrieve files from a crashed PC, even if Windows cannot boot. Access control - manage levels of multiple user and administrative privileges. Manually take a snapshot on demand. Automatically schedule snapshots to be taken on a fixed schedule or upon execution of specific files (ie. setup.exe). http://www.horizonda...tId=40#Features
It is a NEW FREE version (HOME edition) with limited (7) snapshot capability and some other features from the PROFESSIONAL version that haven't been carried down... the most usable of which is the multi-partition capability. The FREE version can only protect 1-partition. The product hasn't changed recently... their Forum and Wilder's has many issues concerning the current release. If you're running Windows 8.x and have an UEFI/GPT system configuration, you are probably in the sweet spot of any potential problems with the current release. Good luck!
I think I'll remove Macrium and give this a try....I don't store an awful lot of important stuff on my HDD so if it does botch up it won't matter too much and I have a conventional bios.
