Cookies and Chrome

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  1. AutoCascade

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    In the uMatrix thread in this same subforum I was just shown how uMatrix extension can block cookies and apparently far more effectively than either method I have been using. It allows cookies to set but once you block cookies through that extension that cookie never leaves your browser so it effectively kills any tracking. They have a web page set up to show how it works. I tried blocking the cookie through Chrome and it did not block it because the web test showed that the cookie communicated to the website even though I had blocked it.
     
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    OK thanks for that and the information about uMatrix. I shall investigate and experiment further. :thumb:
     
  3. Pilou42

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    The thing is: nobody wants to install "SUPERAntiSpyware ". With such a ~ Snipped as per TOS ~ name, it looks like a spyware ! :eek:
    So, I wonder what is the best way to check the presence of Doubleclick cookie. Can you check if there's not a better way to find this cookie. Maybe just with Chrome interface: chrome://settings/cookies
    Is it present there ?

    I doubt Chrome tries to hide thing. They took the cookies management from Firefox. They even improved it by putting Flash cookies in it.
     
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    Although I agree SUPERAntiSpyware is a particularly inelegant name, I have been using it for over five years. It has always found tracking cookies where other antimalware programs haven't.

    I trust it primarily because it was the only security app to find and remove a trojan on a laptop I owned. A trojan that Norton and Spybot S&D both missed. Needless to say, I don't run Norton or Spybot on Windows now.

    Furthermore, the x64 version of SAS is fast and efficient. Interestingly, SpywareBlaster claims to block DoubleClick cookies, but they still seem to manifest in Chrome for me.

    As I never had this problem in SRWare Iron or (new) Opera and certainly don't have it in other Blink-engined browsers (Maxthon), I can only assume that this is a deliberate policy employed by Google. I use Firefox quite often on Win 7 and most of the time in Ubuntu. At least on Win 7 Firefox doesn't seem to attract DoubleClick tracking cookies.

    It's too much of a coincidence that DoubleClick, an online advertising company, is a subsidiary of Google acquired by them in 2008 for £1.982 billion (3.1 billion US dollars, 2.506 billion euros).
     
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    If you try to go to the web address doubleclick.net you end up at http://www.google.com/doubleclick so yeah there is a deep connection there for sure.

    I ran SAS before answering your post and it found a bunch of crap cookie trackers. I deleted all my cookies and then enabled the privacychoice opt out extension ran SAS again and it knew the difference not flagging any of those. It was also much much faster scanning than I remember. Not sure what type of load it has with the paid version always on. The free version does try to become a Windows Service and autorun on start. I made the service manual and rejected the run on start through WinPatrol.

    I would switch to Opera but imo it is clunky and much slower than Chrome at least the way I have Chrome tuned anyway. I set flags for spdy, some accelerate items and asynch DNS etc to speed it up a bit. I would use Chromium but that has its own set of issues not the least of which is that it always stable.

    I didn't realize that Maxthon was Blink based. I may give that a shot.
     
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    I run the freeware version of SAS and you can disable it running in the systems tray on start up in settings. It has become much faster with scanning in recent times and not only has a dedicated x64 version but still manages to context scan when you require it (unlike MBAM these days). Its detection rates have been questioned by some, but if I need to quickly scan a downloaded file it is inherently useful.

    Maxthon has a dual-core rendering engine, I only really use it in Blink mode and also its built-in adblocker works in that. The Android and Windows versions of Maxthon are outstanding, I only wish the same could be said for the Linux version.
     
  7. Hungry Man

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    What's hard about unchecking "Block 3rd party cookies" ?

    I'm a bit confused though, where are these cookies coming from? I don't get exactly what is happening here. You've got cookies. Browsers get them. What's the issue, specifically?
     
  8. Daveski17

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    I was just wondering, why Chrome seems to be a magnet for DoubleClick cookies after only a few minutes of browsing, when Firefox and Maxthon aren't? That's all.
     
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    Keep in mind installed extensions can make net requests behind the scene, and these net requests can also result in cookies being set in the browser.
     
  10. Hungry Man

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    Yes, I'm also interested in knowing why. If it is somehow setting more cookies than it should, that is a bug, and I'll be happy to get it fixed.

    You visited the same sites with both browsers, no extensions, and observed this?
     
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    I haven't visited any sites in Chrome with no extensions yet. I'm not really sure which sites are doing this. I'll have to experiment more and get back to you. I don't see it as a real problem or bug necessarily, it is just a bit odd. Which extension out of ABP, WOT, Clearly and Google Docs may possibly be responsible for this behaviour do you think?
     
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    I'm beginning to favour this explanation.
     
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    Well, honestly, I'm not sure which extension it could be. Could be that an extension is tracking you or trying to monetize.

    If you do find out, and it is a Chrome bug, let me know. I'd be interested.
     
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    If you delete the doubleclick.net cookie and then go to cookie exemptions [*.]doubleclick.net that will block that cookie from setting. I had been missing the . next to * when I was testing it before. I've since redone that test and it blocks the cookies from setting. However having to go through that for all tracking cookies would be painful to say the least so uMatrix is an elegant solution in the long run.
     
  15. SweX

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    Tracking cookies are not malicious so it's not a job of a antimalware software to clean out cookies, even if SAS does it though. :rolleyes::D

    Have you tried to do a CCleaner scan instead of a SAS scan? I have uninstalled SAS so I'm not sure how fast it scans today, but I assume the CCleaner scan will finish faster than a SAS scan. If you more or less only uses SAS as a cookie cleaner.

    For a test you could go to 10 sites that you like to visit, then scan with CCleaner, then after with SAS to see if this (or more) cookies is still in place and detected by SAS, or if CCleaner was able to get rid of them.
     
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    I doubt it is a Chrome bug, but if it is one of the four extensions I use, it is likely to be Clearly. I'll disable it and surf again after a SAS scan and see what happens.
     
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    uMatrix looks promising.
     
  18. Pilou42

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    One question remains. You say your antispyware detects DoubleClick cookies. But are they present here: chrome://settings/cookies ?
    There's a good chance it's the case. You'll have to check when they appear. If they appear when you launch your browser, it's surely an addon.
     
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    Thanks SweX, I've never actually used CCleaner. SAS is warp speed at scanning on x64 these days, I mean you just don't even have time to make a decent cup of Lapsang Souchong!

    I'm not particularly concerned with the DoubleClick tracking, what fascinated me so much was the rapidity of collecting them in Chrome. With Maxthon or Firefox I have to work really hard to acquire tracking cookies. I can guarantee Chrome will pick up at least one DoubleClick cookie in less than five sites visited, let alone ten.
     
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    They don't appear when I launch the browser. I am investigating my four extensions though.
     
  21. AutoCascade

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    What is nice about using CCleaner for cookie disposal is that it allows you a white list so that you don't lose any cookies that you want to keep. The cookie managers for Chrome available as extensions are all pretty terrible one way or the other. Edit This Cookie and Vanilla Cookie are the best of the bunch.
     
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    I've been toying around with my cookie settings all day.

    I finally erased all the cookies and cut out the opt out cookie extension, checked off no third party cookies and set uMatrix to block even first party cookies by default. Cookies can still show up on Chrome but in doing this I have seen over and over again that until they are allowed in uMatrix they are unusable by any website. In effect it makes them opt out cookies. For instance my Amazon and Walmart accounts could not be used despite a cookie being set - until I allowed it through uMatrix.

    However a doubleclick.net cookie did indeed make it's way onto my machine. I erased it and manually blocked it along with a google-analytics cookie which also magically made it's way onto my pc. So Chrome indeed is set up to allow those third party cookies as first party cookies.

    In the end I don't see that as a big deal but the way I have it set up know my browser will never be sluggish from having so many cookies on it. Maybe more a matter of principle though.
     
  24. SweX

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    I see, I just thought if you wanted to compare, as the CCleaner scan is very quick. And you just uncheck the stuff that you don't want to be cleaned out, if there is stuff you want to keep.
     
  25. Pilou42

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    It was present there: chrome://settings/cookies ?
     
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