New Antiexecutable: NoVirusThanks EXE Radar Pro

Discussion in 'other anti-malware software' started by sg09, Jun 3, 2011.

  1. Cutting_Edgetech

    Cutting_Edgetech Registered Member

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    Thank you! I was informed by one user they chose not to use ERP due to ASLR, and DEP not being enabled. Maybe they will consider using ERP now.
     
  2. Rasheed187

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    OK thanks, I do know that for example System Safety Monitor, starts up a process in a suspended state (on Win XP) so that´s why I wondered about this. By the way, I installed the latest version, and it seems to run just fine, nice job. :thumb:

    EDIT: Is it perhaps possible to make separate entries for "Lockdown/Allow/Learning Mode - Enable permanently" in the context menu?
     
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  3. Peter2150

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    Hi Rasheed

    Comparing anything in ERP to SSM is just short being pointless. If I were you I would stop the wondering comparing to SSM, put on ERP, and learn how it works and relax.

    Pete
     
  4. Rasheed187

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    @ Peter2150

    You´re missing the point, I was concerned if it was a potential security risk, so it´s about if ERP can (or should) be improved or not, not about which product is better. ;)
     
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  5. Peter2150

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    Rasheed, I don't think so. First comparing anything to SSM is irrelevant. 2ndly, ERP is an Anti Executable, nothing else, but an excellent one. So if it does it's job that is all that matters. If you can get something that it is supposed to block to run, that is a security risk. The little nit you are worrying about is only an issue if ERP fails to block something.

    Use the product see if it fails and if not relax.
     
  6. Rasheed187

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    @ Peter2150

    I don´t see why comparing it to SSM is irrelevant, yes it´s a HIPS, but it also functions as anti-exe. And it would have been a security risk if a process is started in an active state before being blocked or terminated. Because then it could already compromise the system with code-injection for example. :)
     
  7. act8192

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    I find references to SSM very informative. My queries about parent-child, but especially some of the deep details Rasheed187 inquires where he mentions SSM. On XP, SSM is/was a gold standard of HIPS in a way. Hence, for learning purposes, the "comparisons" and answers here and in AppGuard thread, are most useful to me (for XP). Please don't dismiss. That's what a forum is for, isn't it?
     
  8. Peter2150

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    Yes that is what forums are for, but they can derail this thread where people just want to learn about ERP. There is no problem discuss all this but perhaps in a separate thread.

    Pete
     
  9. Rasheed187

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    @ novirusthanks

    I forget to say that "Safe parent processes" like Sandboxie now work correctly, very nice. :thumb:

    A couple of things that I noticed:

    1 Columsize is not always remembered. Perhaps an idea to give an option which columns should be displayed?
    2 There is no title in ERP´s "Title Bar"
    3 Is it possible to remove the "focus rectangle" completely?

    http://www.askvg.com/how-to-remove-the-annoying-focus-rectangle-in-windows/

    A possible bug: Whitelisting does not always work, when you launch a file from the desktop, and you whitelist it, it will block the file in lockdown mode. Until you choose "whitelist running processes".
     
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  11. Rasheed187

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    @ busy

    Well, this "trick" is a bit annoying. :D
     
  12. novirusthanks

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    I released a new beta build v12:
    http://downloads.novirusthanks.org/files/EXERadar_Pro_x86_x64_v3.1_20042014_BUILD1_11082014_v12.exe

    To update, follow these steps:

    1) Make a backup (export) of your current settings/lists
    2) Close EXERadar (if it is running)
    3) Uninstall EXERadar (you can keep your current settings)
    4) Install the new build

    *A reboot is not needed*

    The process ERPSvc.exe is now protected from process termination (if self-defense is enabled) and ERP utilizes ASLR and DEP.

    @Rasheed187

    I couldn't reproduce this behavior, can you write more details about it ?

    Here is what I tried:

    1) Start NewProgram.exe from Desktop
    2) From the Alert Dialog select WhiteList
    3) Switch ERP in Lockdown Mode
    4) Start again NewProgram.exe
    5) It was executed correctly (because it was present in the WhiteList)
     
  13. Frank the Perv

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    NoVirusThanks EXE Radar Pro

    The development of this product seems to be moving right along. Fine work... good job.


    But.... this product needs to be renamed.

    The term "NoVirusThanks" is unclear and convoluted. It could be interpreted in several ways.

    The term "EXE" is meaningless to over 99% of the computer using public.

    And finally, the term "Radar" is not good either. I get what you are referring to.... I think. But again, most would have no idea what you are trying to convey by use of that term.

    The term "Pro" is fine. Good job with that term.

    -------------

    Clearly, a good marketing guy did not name this product.

    For your future success, I recommend a rename to something that the computer using public can relate to.

    I recommend:

    "Frank's Malware Execution Stopper!"


    And yeah, some would say the term should be "executable" rather than "execution." Got it.

    But this is a marketing name, not a product description.

    You provide a name the public can in some way relate to, a name that conveys 'action', and then you provide more detail and explanation in the product literature.

    I will not trademark the name and will request no royalties.

    You're welcome.





    -ftp






     
  14. Peter2150

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    Frank, you are off base on both counts. NoVirusThanks is the name of the company. Also your suggestion,albeit tongue in check, ERP is not a Malware execution stopper. It makes no determination if something is malware, but simply is it allowed to run or not. Lets try and keep these posts a bit smaller, both literally and figuratively.

    Thanks,

    Pete
     
  15. Charyb

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    Someone on another forum asked if there was a way to prevent the execution of a process using a password. I recommended that they visit this topic.

    I tried password protecting a couple processes but they continue to run without a password dialogue. This appears to not work correctly. Or, am I missing something?

    The events log shows that these are allowed under Trusted Vendor and Program Files but shouldn't the entry into password protected processes take precedent?
     

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  16. Peter2150

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    I checked it using the latest beta. Don't have that tab any more, but if I go into file settings>password options, set a password, check the box password protect the allow pop up it works.

    To password protect one process, you would have to take it out of the white list and then set it up like I did. It works.

    Pete
     
  17. Charyb

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    I removed Chrome from "manage trusted vendors" and unchecked, "allow all software from program file folders". These are the two places in the event logs where Chrome was allowed.

    Unchecking "allow all software from program file folders" means that I will have to approve most everything that runs from program files that is not on the trusted vendors list. Correct? What a pain in the rear this is to complete this task.

    Isn't there a way to do this without changing global settings? I don't understand why a process needs to be untrusted and a whole folder needs disallowed for this one process to be password protected.
     

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  18. Peter2150

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    Okay. Uncheck the the global settings. Then go into the whitelist, and right click. Select add new. Check subfolders, and just browse to Windows,Program FIles, and Program Files (X86) and it will add everything. Then find the chrome stuff and delete them. That will give you what you want. If you have trouble finding the chrome stuff let us know. There is an easy way to do it.

    Pete
     
  19. Charyb

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    Ok, thanks.

    I don't think it is working correctly. I checked the help file and it doesn't mention anything about any extra steps. Help shows version 2.7.7 and changes have been made to the GUI/program since then. In my mind, if you password protect a process, it should be password protected regardless if it is trusted or not.

    http://novirusthanks.org/help-files/exe-radar-pro/#password-protect-processes
     
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  20. Peter2150

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    Download and install the latest beta. Very different than 2.7.7 If I can be candid, its not a matter of what is in your mind, it's how the program works. What is desired is indeed possible
     
  21. Charyb

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    It's not how the program works according to the help file. It may be possible with several unnecessary steps/workarounds but is this how it is expected to work? I doubt it.

    I'm not using 2.7.7. The image in the help file shows version 2.7.7 which is not current.

    I will try the beta.

    From here, I will just report this as a possible bug and need no further help.

    Thanks.
     
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  22. Peter2150

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    Hi Charyb

    Use the beta and follow what I told you. The help file is totally out of date. There is no bug, so reporting it will not get you anywhere.

    Pete
     
  23. Charyb

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    Let's let Andreas decide this. Thanks for your help.
     
  24. Tyrizian

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    No offense to you, but I would have to disagree with all of this.

    I think this product is quite established, and that also includes the product name.

    I think a name change is a bad idea.






     
  25. Overkill

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    I totally agree!
     
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