SPAM attacking me

Discussion in 'privacy problems' started by controler, Jun 10, 2002.

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  1. controler

    controler Guest

    I am having trouble with spam lately in my hotmail account. SEX sites. Are they all using proxy servers now?
    because I can't seem to trace the address on these.
    any ideas? maybe I am just losing my patience in my old age.

    example below:

  2. controler

    controler Guest

    ok in previous post? where thingy was inserted instead of the real word which is another name for cat.
    you will have to change that to do a look ;)

  3. spy1

    spy1 Registered Member

    Spam in a HotMail account? NO WAY!! (ROTFL!)

    You have gone back and checked your HotMail preferences to make sure they didn't change them for you, right? Pete
  4. snowman

    snowman Guest


        hotmail is super bad news....just for the heck of it if you have the spare time...WeSim posted a link to some online e mail offerings..I think the post is in the software/services forum.....
       in my early days of computers I had a hotmail I could not be payed cash to have one. just my opinion.

  5. controler

    controler Guest

    While I stayed out at the lake without phone line access
    I had to run into town to use the computers at the library and that is why I have the hotmail accounts.
    Now I finialy installed wireless here at the lake but I still use my Hotmail account as Jooske uses her Yahoo account. If I could afford it, I would use an anonymous
    server for my e-mail ;) they are running 50 bucks a  month now aren't they?
  6. controler

    controler Guest

    I went into my hotmail options and kicked up the junk mail filter a notch
    Kicked it up from low to high to se how it handles it.
    Have the delayed delete for na week just in case ;)
  7. Checkout

    Checkout Security Rhinoceros

    I receive 60+ spam mails per day on Hotmail.  I have my privacy set to EXCLUSIVE.  Yeah, sure...   Those guys at MSN Hotmail are about as effective as an aluminium foil teabag.
  8. Jooske

    Jooske Registered Member

    Both hotmail and yahoo have a very nice option:
    check all, trash all, empty trash.
    But now hotmail works with that passport thing it's even less private.
    Of course all settings "private" "not in public areas" "not searchable" but still...... how do you think they keep the service "for free" for the users? Because "free" is not "free" but you're just one more mailbox for them to earn their clicks.
    Receiving the hotmail garbadbe in your email client and delete them from there one by one are clicks for them, never noticed it takes a few milliseconds to delete them?
    You all know very fine if person A is paid to spam for instance the porn you spoke about there is no use to look at that catty... whatever domain, but just parse the headers in for instance SamSpade and look at the routing. If you really want to waste your time send some complaints to the proper abuse persons, or change your own settings to make it look like a bounce message (new mode these days). Your next spam from them might announce you as "Sam"!
    In most cases just your delete button and setting your anti-spam filters extra strickt is as effective and less time consuming.
  9. Prince_Serendip

    Prince_Serendip Registered Member

    I have a SECURE Yahoo! Canada e-mail account. I don't get spam. My suggestion to you is quit Hotmail. Just as you quit make some e-mails to the public press letting them know about it. I betcha it will then be cleaned up lickety-split! ;)
  10. spy1

    spy1 Registered Member

    Isn't there a setting in there that you can set to "Don't accept email from anyone not in my address book"? Pete
  11. Jooske

    Jooske Registered Member

    If you mean on hotmail, yes, the exclusive filtering.

    Now you are on a newsgroup. The postings come in your mailbox, and in some way you have to make the setting so those postings can come in.
    Aha, now there was one spammer subscribed a moment on that ng before the moderator banned the person, but he has all those addresses, which the email service was so kind to add to your addressfolder. So you're as far as before. As the person can forge the sender name into one of the newsgroup.
    Now one of those people is infected with Klez. Banned or not, you are in their personal addressbook so you receive them anyway, even after unsubbing and trashing that ng, as they go to your personal address.
    Can clean out the address folder and the thing continues somehow, for did we filter out "postmaster" and "abuse" and "mailer daemon" and maybe "hotmail support" to name some senders of that Klez?
    The one who comes with a definitive solution for that one other then remove the email account i might owe a karma point!
    In my case (it was not on hotmail unfortunately for that account i would have deleted in this matter) the spammer opened a new email account and continues his infected spamming all time, so let's say intentional.
  12. Jooske

    Jooske Registered Member

    What i think is the most annoying and part of the problem are these things:

    1) it's --at least at yahoo-- not possible to block all from a certain domain like only individual accounts and as that has each day another username before the @ it's useless. written yahoo abuse several times but they don't even answer.

    2) i had several spams i wanted to report.
    so digging the full headers, for instance and a "remove me" at and URLs in it redirecting from or to Pretty clear isn't it? says not our customer, we can't do anything, look at the sender's ISP.
    same with a sympatico. address, look at the senders ISP, while sympatico is clearly sympatico, isn't it?
    same with, send the whole source including full header, everywhere even the IPs msn, "not our customer, please send full header"
    same with, same results.
    Yah chao, i don't even want temp email accounts there and if i have the first thing without looking is empty all junk and inbox and all there is as opening any of them to remove or block it makes them money and even from that blocking you get spammed by the kind of junk. I know, as entering my junk box the first email opens automatically and that one was for cars. I am not interfested in cars i don't want them don't have them, but since i get hundreds of spam mails for cars and insurances and drivers lessons and safe driving and free gaz and sweepstakes for cars and all relating to cars which before i never had that subject.
    So they are not interested in helping you getting rid of any spam at all and make their "services" as annoying and frustrating for who did not see that yet as possible. They earn money from our complaints and our opening the stuff to block it and our entering their fortress to remove the junk.
    So there is the weakest point, those yahoo and msn/hotmail (all one company 90% of the shares owned by the bushes for who did not know) keep the spam going and stimulate it till we are all so annoyed we agree with some moer forcefull anti-spam law which will affect individuals in steread of the large advertisements companies they deal with and another cut in our freedom of expression or internet use.
    See the pattern?

    The only thing which helps is a destructive nasty in an autoresponder and exactly that is not allowed.
  13. Prince_Serendip

    Prince_Serendip Registered Member

    :) Hi Jooske!

    Can you use a redirect with those accounts? That way the Spam could be redirected to Yahoo. If they get upset, give them a virtual shrug and say "not my customer."

    Are there any proggies out there that can read the sending IP and "return to sender" like with snail mail?

    Seems to me to be a proactive approach. I never use my own e-mail/Outlook Express. Safer.

    When there was a big decision being made about flyers/junk mail in my city, there was an official who insisted people get even more junk mail. A bunch of citizens (half the city) got together and donated their junk mail and they dumped it on his lawn in the middle of the night. He changed his mind. Junk mail is now optional.

    Of course you can also get a free ZipLip account. Never has spam. Or any of the nice payware accounts like the Bat. I still use a Yahoo account for, you guessed it, my junk mail. If I am not expecting it, it is deleted unopened. I really would like to send all that mail back to the senders and those who assist them. This is not why Internet was created!

    Best regards.
  14. Jooske

    Jooske Registered Member

    Maybe too many people used the redifrection option as that seems no longer available? But of course you can make autoresponders telling your new address is and sender mailer daemon.
    or een
    Those headers most of time are from A via B - Z to you and it's the same problem as with the klez infection: it pastes another sender to the real sender in the header which appears in the sender in the inbox lots of times.
    But msn/yahoo/hotmail could change a lot if their autoresponders would not say "it's not our account" but telling for instance "it's a non existant account" or forged or whatever; the impression with that would make a world of difference for now the victim only sees a very ignorant abuse non-service.
    the program should enable to add all to the blocked sender list without being forced to open the junk. As blocking doesn't help anyway at all (the filtering "if from contains" send to trash" does not work, it still comes in the inbox ; maybe they have a anti-filtering on domain names, so spammer maybe would do and not) nor does complaining so the best seems to be just click check all click delete click empty trash.
    But such a remote full header reader would be something!

    Your ridirection sounds interesting so how can we make that? You mean they can only close our account and easy to make anew one, isn't it?
  15. puff-m-d

    puff-m-d Registered Member

    Hello all,

    I currently use MailWasher to filter, bounce and delete my unwanted pop3 mail.

    See this link:

    Nick is working on a version with Hotmail support that is due out anytime now.

  16. controler

    controler Guest

    Hi Puff-M-D

    Thanks and we are watching that site every day to see when that Hotmail account filter is ready..
    Guessing he doesn't have all the bugs out yet and if he does get it done, I sure it will be a huge hit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

    Gone the world of spam LOL
  17. Jooske

    Jooske Registered Member

    I wonder if anybody remembers the free tool to download the yahoo popmail with that or with that tool into outlook express and maybe other clients as well. I googled and tried to search here in the forums, but as i don't remember the name don't find it. I like to try it out. And it could be if we can collect the mail that way, we can use our mailwasher and other filters again.
    Worth a try!
  18. Pieter_Arntz

    Pieter_Arntz Spyware Veteran


    Do you mean YahooPOPs?
    Available an webattack in the Misc e-mail tools section


  19. Jooske

    Jooske Registered Member

    I'll try to find it, thanks for the name.
    Does my idea make sense or are there better options?
    When also hotmail is added to mailwasher, would really be great as yahoo and hotmail/msn are my biggest problems in spam, and what's worse, many years ago when i was really innocent on internet i gave them as second email address my official one, also for the forwarding service etc., even though i removed it time ago, but it's in their memory so i get their spammers in my official mailbox thanks to that too.
  20. Pieter_Arntz

    Pieter_Arntz Spyware Veteran


    I'm not sure it's going to work. It depends on how this programm drops your mail into OE. Could be it bypasses the filtering. I'm afraid it's trial and error.


  21. Jooske

    Jooske Registered Member

    Indeed, tried the new 3.6 version, nada, via mailwasher, nada, so theer are some options to try with the https or mb5 or thing like that, never know......
    In their forums read lots of try and error too :)
    But i'm not used to give up just like that!
  22. Pieter_Arntz

    Pieter_Arntz Spyware Veteran


    I used e-prompter for a while, because Incredimail ate to much of my memory ;) It checks all your mail accounts at preset intervals and gives you the possibility to read a plain-text preview and delete mail on server. Maybe worth a try.


  23. Jooske

    Jooske Registered Member

    Was looking at it today, it's only for the yahoo part to be able to bounce spam to sender, as a lot i do with rulesets in OE too and via mailwasher, but yahoo is the problem :)
    Four recources you're right; i had some of those little proggies more; with a screenshot i would have known if i had that eprompter or another one time ago.
    Am digging out my system for all the kind of little programs i ever installed for a try and forgot and which all together take lots of space.
  24. Paul Wilders

    Paul Wilders Administrator

    The email client The Bat! does have a very nice Mail Dispatcher for these purposes as a standard feature. Have a look at the screen shot.



    Attached Files:

  25. The Bat is a very good email client. Nice to see it being discussed.
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