Slow indexing of files

Never used Vista, still using XP, some ideas though they may be totally irrelevant in your case:
I always keep my AV turned on, never seems to slow me down.
My FirstDefense appears to stop at one place but it is actually working, just takes a long time to copy my Virtual Machine files, especially if I made any changes inside of the VM, but everything just keeps on working just fine. Do you have a VM installed on your system? Other than that, no ideas.

Acadia

 

What kind of KB/sec rate are you getting, stapp? Does it vary, fall off when you experience the pauses?

 

Hi Stapp, it might (and might not) be OA so turn off OA and try it. I say this because FD first gets a very long list of everything and then uses the list to create individual "Copy.exe"s. I know this because (inadvertently) I left OA in Learning Mode when I started the FDR copy process and it was very slow as OA checked each create list and each create object request.
Might also try Exclusion for FD-ISR.
Hope this helps but it may not.
Jim

 

The main reasons are the "NTFS symbolic links" and the "Transactional NTFS" features of vista and later OSes for the one pause.

The other pause is caused when FD-ISR indexes the SVS files, more info here.

Panagiotis

 

Stapp, is this FD "classic original"?

Acadia

 

Yes, it happens in both vista and 7; but is an OS thing and not an FD-ISR problem. It even happens when you perform a chkdsk.

If you consider that vista and 7 are 7-8 times larger than xp with more than 15.000 folders and 80.000 files it is not so bad.

Personally I use more Windows System Restore or Roxio BackOntrack than FD-ISR for restoring.

And since I have not entered on my XP snapshot for more than 6 months I am considering formating the disk with a cluster of 16k and using exclusively Windows System Restore. And since Todd will not add support for clusters other than 4k (neither for FD-ISR nor for FD-Rescue), both will go to the closet.

ps.Windows System Restore in 7 and Vista is much more powerfull than that of XP.The only drawback is when used with cluster lower than 16k the snapshots grow larger with every defrag. Windows System Restore on 16k cluster combined with System Restore Explorer; seems to me more and more appealling day by day.

Panagiotis

 

Pandlouk, thanks for that info, especially the Roxio product. I'm currently looking for products to replace FD-ISR because I want to upgrade from XP to Win7 and I don't feel like jumping thru hoops to make FD work in Win7 which it wasn't designed for. I'm also looking at the Farstone product Snapshot. Yes, I know that System Restore is much better in Win7 than XP. The only reason that I am still on XP is because of FirstDefense but I am already two Operating Systems behind and this cannot go on forever.

Acadia

 

You are welcome Acadia.

Even thow, I do consider Roxio BackOnTrack Suite (the suite has the instant restore feature) better than all the alternatives (RollbackRX and Clones) and Farstone Snapshot; and believe me that I made extensive tests on all of them, for me the best option is Windows System Restore on a partition of 16k cluster size combined with System Restore Explorer.

Roxio BackOnTrack Suite is my second choice mainly because it plays well with FD-ISR and because is file based and not sector based.

But if you do not need FD-ISR multiOS capabilities anymore, Windows System Restore is the way to go; It is as powerfull as the alternatives, but is much more stable and is the one with the smallest impact on the system performance.

Panagiotis

 

Oh, and in the future I fear that I will be going thru the most horrible withdrawal!

Acadia

 

Exactly. See here.

It is like having FD-ISR on steroids. Multiple OSes with multiple snapshots.

Panagiotis

 

I was also reluctant to move to Win7 from WP. But following Pandlouk's fantastic tutorial thread (sticky above) i did it successfully.
I have actually two XP snapshots (one for my kids heavy games and one for general usage) and two Win7 snapshots (one for general usage and one for programs and additional tests). All four are working perfectly for almost 3 months now. I built also 4 archives I am updating once every two weeks (depending upon the activity of the appropriate snapshot). IMHO FD has a "second life" with Win7.

Pandlouk can you please elaborate more on the Win7 System Restore .
i.e. where can I find explicit guidance.
I my case above (two XP snapshots and two Win7 ones) will still System Restore performing well.

Thanks

 

If you are using FirstDefense you do not need System Restore and you can turn it off.

If you give up FirstDefense and rely on System Restore, the Microsoft website has all the good information that you need in order to use it. Ignore the web pages with info on WinXp System Restore because Microsoft made System Restore a little bit different in Win7, also made it much more robust and reliable.

Acadia

 

Hehe, thanks for the kind words.

Win7 system restore is sector oriented and not file oriented.(like imaging apps). Plus it gives you the ability to view multiple versions of your modified files or even to find deleted files (when you mount the snapshot as a virtual drive)
Every change you make on your protected system/partitions is being record (very similar to Goback). But the problem is that since is made to understand blocks of 16k, gets confused if used on a partition with cluster size of 4k. And everytime you defrag thinks that the files are modified when in reallity they are not. This causes the snapshots to become bigger or even lost during defragmentation.(goback and farstone restoreit had the same problem)
But if you format the partition with a cluster of 16k or higher the defrags do not confuse it anymore and the snapshots do not grow in size unless a real modification takes place.

And with System Restore Explorer you have the ability to mount the snapshots as virtual drives and to remove those that you do not want anymore.

In reality Windows System Restore on 7 is the true successor of GoBack.And on partition of 16k cluster and higher is far superior from goback and the current Instant Restore applications.

Panagiotis

-edit you can try it on one of your snapshots. I have not tried it but as long as you do not update/modify your FD-ISR snapshots there should be no problem. In the worst case scenario you will lose the Windows System Restore snapshots when you will boot in a different FD-ISR snapshot, but it will not affect neither the OS nor the FD-ISR snaps.

 

True, in fact SR was actually created by the GoBack people but MS stripped it down so it would only recover the most important parts of the system and not everything like GoBack could do.

Acadia

 

Did not know that the goback guys built it. Any link about this?

-since I forgot it on the above post here are the links about system restore on 7.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/features/system-restore
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Previous-versions-of-files-frequently-asked-questions

Panagiotis

 

Good grief, that was a long time ago, the first time that MS implemented SR, whatever Operating System that was. I would have to look for that. Does anyone remember the name of the small company that originally created Goback? (I do.) It was not Roxio or Adeptec, and that small company had the best tech support that I have ever seen.

Acadia

 

Nope, cannot find any proof of that, perhaps my memory is failing me.

Acadia

 

Wild File, Inc.
I seem to remember that it was a kiwi company but it seems they were located in Plymouth, Minnesota, from what I read on the web. My first using of Goback date from 1998 or 1999. I should have again some old copies resting on back CDs.

It is also what I heard then (the OS was XP), but no trace found on the net here neither...

 

Actually the first OS was Windows ME.
-I still remember it; it came with my very first pc, and I managed to delete internet explorer, windows media player and "destory" the OS in 15 minutes. And neither system restore nor reinstallation could fix the problems.
I am propably one of the very few that in the windows era, had to learn about dos commands like format and fdisk before even navigating in net.-
The very next day I got interested in ISR and imaging apps.

Panagiotis