seems like someone is trying to cut off wikileaks entirely

Discussion in 'privacy general' started by vtol, Dec 3, 2010.

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  1. JuanP1000

    JuanP1000 Registered Member

    So far there is no info that WikiLeaks paid anything, and this information is not private property...just today WikiLeaks has published a document that indicates the goverment in my country might be involved in serious crimes....shouldn't this be known?? what if you are a victim of this crimeso_O??
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  2. LockBox

    LockBox Registered Member

    And then there is the question - who is the U.S. government if not the people of the United States? There's still more attention being paid to how the documents were leaked than the information in the documents. The people of the United States PAID for these documents and all the lawlessness described therein.
  3. gerardwil

    gerardwil Registered Member

  4. Cutting_Edgetech

    Cutting_Edgetech Registered Member

  5. Peter2150

    Peter2150 Global Moderator

    Are you saying every classified document in the US government contains lawlessness??
  6. nightrace

    nightrace Registered Member
  7. LockBox

    LockBox Registered Member

    Absolutely not. However, I think it DOES fall under whistleblowing when the documents are full of illegal actions. Of course, the attention is now on how the docs got out rather than what's actually in them - but that won't last long. I'm making the case that it's OUR government and OUR documents and that somebody saw the American people were being lied to (understatement) and let the dogs Now it's a high-tech lynching of let's kill the messenger rather than be outraged by the message that slipped out of the hands of those we entrust our government to. And there's no partisanship to the outrage - there's red meat for liberals and conservatives alike.
  8. Dogbiscuit

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  9. Meriadoc

    Meriadoc Registered Member

    Just to throw in another angle : what John Young from cryptome (another online whistle-blower) thinks about it here (1/3) interview.
  10. nightrace

    nightrace Registered Member

    Some insight into WikiLeaks and Assange...
  11. Searching_ _ _

    Searching_ _ _ Registered Member

    EasyDNS Now Supports Wikileaks - Wired
  12. Longboard

    Longboard Registered Member

    Interesting to see how strong support for Assange is down here.
    The Prime Minister (gillard) and the AG (Mclelland) have put their tails btwn their collectives and gone running for cover after all the bellicose hyperbole about "illegalities" :)

    A letter signed off on by > 100 prominent Ozzies in support has been posted

    I can tell you there are some heavy hitters there, and Geoffrey Robertson has signed on for the defence. robertson

    Also interesting is the backlash in the Labour Party party room: there have been Leaks !! :D about stringent criticisms from party members at the public statements by the government and reminders that Australian citizens abroad are entitled to due process and consular support, not ridiculous grandstanding by elected representatives.

    Some one needs to remind a few others about that.
    Check some of the attributed quotes at the head of that letter. !
    Those people accuse Assange of terrorism. ??
    Quite simply, those individuals should be charged with criminal incitement.

    I read that "Moral Void" article from NYR: mixed up superficial ruminations, no direction, no point, just rambling. Title grossly misleading. Ppffftt. Puffery.
    Really, the eds at NYR should have been a bit more selective.
  13. JRViejo

    JRViejo Global Moderator

  14. Dogbiscuit

    Dogbiscuit Guest

    Remember, that wasn't a formal review or article, but a NYR Blog posting ("Roving thoughts and provocations from our writers") by a NYRB longtime contributor.
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  16. Tarnak

    Tarnak Registered Member

    "[This is the first in a series of three articles that will be devoted to the subject of Wikileaks, secrecy, the state, and transformation. This is intended as a survey of some of the opinions I have found most interesting.]"

    from an article "The Wikileaks Revolution" by Maximilian Forte -
  17. Searching_ _ _

    Searching_ _ _ Registered Member

    According to Meriadoc's link and John Young, Wikileaks founder Assange is a member of Cypherpunk a sponsored (by) US Intelligence organization(s).

    Sameer Parekh, a member of Cypherpunk, was or is a US Marine, having failed Marine Officer training due to injury.

    Yes, Wikipedia is my source. :eek:
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  18. hierophant

    hierophant Registered Member

    Cypherpunks are a "sponsored US Intelligence organization"? Tell that to Tim May :rolleyes:

    OK, and so o_O

    Well, that explains it ;)
  19. nightrace

    nightrace Registered Member

  20. Pinga

    Pinga Registered Member

  21. PJC

    PJC Very Frequent Poster

    So much of Democracy...:thumbd:
    So much of Freedom of Speech...:thumbd:
  22. Baserk

    Baserk Registered Member

    Re: The Guardian: 'The first global cyber war has begun'

    ..and are accompanied by non-anonymous wacktivists who blindly used LOIC and send their IP address with every single 'attack' against a site.

    I wonder how many of the 4chan kiddo's (bored with talking trash about an 11-year old) aren't aware of the traces they leave/left all over.

    Researchers from the University of Twente DACS/Design and Analysis of Communication Systems' group have published a report on how easily LOIC users can be traced if proper anonymization isn't used also.
    DACS' LOIC report PDF link
  23. hierophant

    hierophant Registered Member

    Re: The Guardian: 'The first global cyber war has begun'

    I've never paid much attention to Anonymous, or 4chan, generally. And I've been amazed to discover how non-anonymous most Anonymous bother to be. I mean, as y'all know, I'm somewhat obsessive about anonymity technologies, and all I do is post on internet forums. These people are running DDoS attacks against major corporations, and many of them apparently don't even use proxies. They are cannon fodder, IMHO, pwned by the core Anonymous whom they pretend to be.

    Also, FWIW, I've often wondered why Wikileaks doesn't operate more anonymously. Although I get the value of having a public voice, i.e. Julian Assange, I don't get why they don't hide their servers. Any thoughts?
  24. noone_particular

    noone_particular Registered Member

    Re: The Guardian: 'The first global cyber war has begun'

    IMO, it would be contradictory to expose corruption and lawlessness that's hidden by "classified" or "secret", then try to remain hidden yourself. This entire operation only has value if the majority (or a large percentage) of people stand up and say "we've had enough of this". The people who take this stand will have to do so openly and in masse. In this case, Wikileaks needs to be an example. If they hide, that just gives the powers that be publicity ammunition. All aspects of this movement against classifying corruption has to be up front and in their face. Nothing less will be effective.

    I wish Anonymous and 4chan would use a little more restraint and rethink their strategy. No matter how mad you get or how good it feels, retaliation hurts the cause. Attacking PayPal, Amazon, etc will do nothing but drive away the very people who need to be on board. Use that anger to dig out blatant examples of corruption and lawlessness being hidden and get it in front of people. This way, people will get mad at the lies and the policies that have made real peace impossible, and they'll get mad at the right people.
  25. hierophant

    hierophant Registered Member

    Re: The Guardian: 'The first global cyber war has begun'

    OK, I get that. And OTOH, you might last longer hidden.
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