Rollback Rx Version 10 is out

Hi carfal,

Alllow me to address your statement (in a calm and peaceful manner). I have taken the liberty to embold tha part of your comments with which I take issue. I am one of those who suffered a catastrophic system crash as a result of RB corruption (and no, I can't prove that RB was the culprit). Contrary to what your statement suggests, some of us RB-users (now ex-RB users) do image our system, but perhaps not on a daily basis because we have (had) RB for interim 'backups'. Before my episode, the presence of RB lulled me into believing that weekly backup were sufficient. Wouldn't you know it, my most current image was a week old when my system crashed and so I had to re-enter a week's worth of non-restorable data.

At the time I reported the incident to HDS they denied the possibility that RB could have caused my system crash. And when I mentioned losing a week's worth of work I was 'scolded' for not imaging my system on a daily basis ...but if one has to do that who needs RB? So it's not that we didn't image our systems and that we didn't ever think we would ever get 'burned', it's that we didn't expect RB (which HDS promotes as a 'failsafe program') to be the culprit that would 'set the fire'!!!

Cruise

 

Well, I def am objective. I am able to separate Rx from Horizon which you clearly are not able to do. You manage to ignore anything that does not suit your view of things and then make personal attacks instead of rational arguments. Folks have been walking on eggshells to try to avoid aggravating you but clearly to little avail. By all means attack me all you wish. Your opinion and comments have ceased to concern me.

 

I have to say that I agree with the majority of what you say. Horizon has promoted Rx as a failsafe program which it clearly is not. The only problem I have with your statement is that you seem to attribute the cause of your issue to Rx and do not seem to accept even the possibility that the cause was something else.

Apart from this I would like to make a few related (and possibly some unrelated) comments.

I would suggest that its a rare person who images their system on a daily basis so once again Horizons stupidity has shown itself. Personally, even if I was imaging my drive daily I would still want to be able to do the hourly snaps so that even less data would be lost in the event of a problem. Around the same time as I bought Rx for my laptop I bought Shadow Protect for my desktop. At the beginning I liked them both equally but as time went by, and more folks reported problems with Rx, and I became familiar with Horizons lack of clarity and often ineffective or non-existent support, I began to prefer SP. The problem for me is that SPs principle benefits in my mind are lost on a laptop. For this reason I have stuck with Rx on this machine. I just am a bit more careful with it than I thought I would have to be.

When I first bought Rx I was unhappy that it would only do hourly snaps, I had been using GoBack which recorded every change to the drive as it occurred so for me Rx felt somewhat lax but it was the best I could (and apparently can) do. I realize that to a good degree I am lucky that I did not fall prey to some of the problems that others have had. I added AppGuard to my system to take care of the MBR issue, and I image with Rx installed only using Rxs companion Drive Cloner. When I uninstall Rx and do house cleaning before reinstalling Rx I image using Paragon. As I said I am paranoid. Once again I will say that in using Rx since version 7 it has never failed me. I would also suggest that many others would say the same thing. Simply because Horizon is lax in supporting and explaining what is good practise when using Rx does not make Rx crap. There is a difference between the software and the company IMO.

Finally I want to say that its a real shame that the difference of opinion regarding Rx has led to so much animosity on this forum that some folks are reluctant to speak out. Or, as in your case, that someone feel a need to preface their comments with a statement like "Allow me to address your statement (in a calm and peaceful manner)." I would hope that we are here to help each other not to win some argument. This is not a debating society, its a discussion forum. If someone is aware of an issue with a program it benefits all if this problem is brought to the communities attention and hopefully, through the efforts of the community, remedies can be found and implemented.

I am sorry for the length of this post. I am even more sorry that I felt a need to have to post it.

 

Barry,

I'm not sure if this is of interest but Second Copy 8 and other data backup software can do instant backups. Choose a folder or series of folders to store the files you are working on. Any changes to those files will be instantly backed up to your backup destination.

I get my kids to put their homework in the relevant folder while they are working on the files. No more tears.

 

bg, you are correct of course in that my mind may be closed to other potential causes of my episode. It could have been precipitated by an MBR rootkit, or the like, that clobbered Rx. I guess HDS' support (or lack thereof) really soured me!

In any case I appreciate your understanding of my situation and I do wish there was less bickering on these forums so that I didn't feel compelled to start a post as with that caveat.

Cruise

 

You are all forgiven, my children (they told me I was the new Pope... I'm not sure I believe them).

 

Guys, in my view RX is a program that offers unrivaled ease of use for software testing. You can define custom Windows setups to suit different needs. RX also simplifies both overclocking and undervolting the system because it can undo system crashes. This saves time when users try to establish the limits of their hardware. RX can even simplifiy the comparative analysis of certain hardware like graphics cards (if you want details on how to do this just ask).

The big point for me is not the program's functionality (which is invaluable IMO), or the fact that new users fail to do a full backup in order to cover themselves for every eventuality. New users will eventually get burned and they will learn the hard way anyway. The few who will still fail to learn after a catastrophe are the hopeless ones anyway: Those people will keep on dishing out money for tech support instead of learning enough to be able to fix their own problems. Such people are the bread and butter of support companies worldwide.

The big point (and HDS's biggest failure IMO) is the fact that they still haven't managed to find a proper TRIM workaround. On top of that they keep reciting the same tired crap that TRIM works, that the issue is a non-issue and that they cannot go into details. These are blatant lies. If they say it enough times they may as well start believing their own hype. Great stuff HDS!

RX10 is a great overhyped failure in my opinion, and this is purely because the TRIM issue still remains unsolved while HDS buries its head in the sand. Their attitude is lauhable really. This is a great shame because the overall functionality of the software itself is very good in my view.

 

I didn't attack you. You are the one who attacked me and in return I asked you if you are being objective. I gave you two examples of Rollback Rx and not HDS. Here they are again for you.

Rollback Rx and not HDS:

1. F8. Rollback Rx messing up the Windows Recovery Environment for even those who try Rollback Rx for 14 days trails. The messing up regarding the Windows Recovery Environment happened for many, many years and still there is no fix for it.

2. Till today TRIM for SSDs doesn't works under Rollback Rx. Basically, Rollback Rx makes fake software RAID, which gives the fake result that TRIM is working.

Read properly above that I am talking about Rollback Rx and not about HDS.

 

Thanks for the suggestion.

I have a program called 12 Ghosts Backup which does this very nicely (and efficiently) but the problem is that I have to designate which files or folders need to be watched. I do not nec want a whole lot of versioned files on my disk so designating all of the data files on the laptop is not really an option. I reserve the use of 12 Ghosts to my graphics files (CAD & Photoshop) where going back to an earlier version of the project may be necessary.

My general concern is with the rest of the data files or folders that may become corrupted or lost in some way. Being able to recover these on a save by save basis would be nice and GoBack provided this ability at a serious expence to disk space but every change was recorded. My experience is that Rx with its hourly snaps of the entire drive which of course includes non critical files is quite adequate for my needs. Occasionally the loss of 30 or 40 min of data has been an irritant but for the most part not a real problem.

 

Cruise my intention was not to single you or anybody else out so i apologize for that. I did try to speak in general but it seems i failed.

cyberman's wording is more like what i should have said

There's no denying that HDS support leaves a lot to be desired. The horrible truth is that when RB fails in the manner that it did for you, there is no way to recover data. HDS know this but wont admit it so they behave the way they do which is bad business. I'm not making excuses for them, I'm just thinking out loud.

Generally speaking (for everyone now), we all have our opinion about the failures of RB and equally so about the positives of RB. One camp will not change the mind of the other but we should be able to express our opinions without getting nasty or personal with each other.

Bgoodman4 hits the nail on the head

 

BG, maybe you could point out to me the reason why you feel you need to do hourly snapshots to minimize your data loss to at worst 60min. I have always been able to recovery my data up to the split seccond a problem occurs eg, power failure.

This is taken from HDS website

The above statement is actually true (i know, not everything is a lie ).

If i get a power failure or my PC fails to boot (which by the way the later has only happened when i've done something incredibly stupid) I simply fire up the RB subconsole at boot time and restore to my previous snapshot. RB of coarse takes a snapshot of the current unbootable system (provided the option to do so is left ticked in the options...this option is vital for this to work). My PC boots successfully. I mount the "scheduled snapshot" that was taken automatically at boot time and then use the excellent 3rd party "Beyond Compare" program to compare my data folders and retrieve my current data files (I've never liked the "Remind me to recover files after Rolback" feature that RB offers). No 60min or less data loss. Im up to date to the split second before the restore.

Of coarse i do the above for just a general rollback as well. I make sure the option to take a snapshot of the current system is ticked before i rollback to any snapshot and I'm always able to recover my data files up to the split second before the rollback.

Is this something your aware of or have you had an issue thats disuaded (i think that's how you spell it) you from doing this?

 

Dearest Carfal,

If you believe the above then Froggie, BGoodMan4 and you all jumped on me for no reason and owe me appologies. This is what I said earlier:

I simply said my sentiments, and Mr. Froggie jumped on me. You Carfal on the other hand defended Mr. Froggie and said, "It doesn't show in the quote but did you notice the smiley....."

Before, a goat is slaughtered, it is given water, food and also smiled at too. Go read everything carefully and like I said all three of you owe me apologies.

Best regards,

 

Aladdin. I wasnt going to reply to you because quite frankly i dont know where to start.

I will say this. As far as im concerned this post in not an attack on you but rather my conclusion about you. When i read your posts you sometimes show a good grasp of the English language but when the conversations gets more serious it becomes evident that you miss the underlying subject/content of what another poster is saying. This becomes evident when your replies dont really answer directly to what another poster says (eg. by throwing the same question back at them) or you introduce random conversation that is not directly related to your reply to them. You have just recently done this to me and i pointed it out then just as i am now. But you dont seem to have learned anything. Now your making demands for apology.

Aladdin, i dont dislike you but as far as an apology from me is concerned....no chance. You have always attacked me first. I'm a bygones be bygones sort of person which is why i helped you here. but i cant guarantee that this will be the case in the future if you dont change your ways.

You might be thinking that you dont care what i think about you which is fair enough. But when you make apology demands...this is what you get.

You've got to ask yourself, if you were deserving of any apologies, dont you think they would be forthcoming without the demands?

Well, so much for not knowing where to start. I'm not interested in getting into a but you said this and then you said that argument because this is what happened in the "other forums" a while ago and back then there was so much inaccuracies that it became a can of worms trying to fix your misinterpretation of a conversation as well as still arguing the original issue. It was exhausting.

I hope other members dont judge me too harshly because i know (or rather decide) when an apology is in order. Nobody demands apologies from me, especially when it's not me that should be apologizing.

 

Let's all meet somewhere and have a drink. Learn from my signature.

 

I was just thinking how out of control this thread is getting. I think a drink might just do the trick.

 

Later......

 

Dear,

Your English is so grand as well. So, we agree to disagree.

As far as my opinion of Rollback Rx is concerned, it is the most crappiest program. As far as my opinion of HDS is concerned, I believe they are not ethical at all. This is my opinion. If you don't agree with my opinion then you have no right to attack me personally as Mr. Froggie did. Neither, you have a right to come to his rescue and say that he used, "smiley" before attacking me personally, so everything is hunky dory.

We might not agree about a program, a company, a thread, or a post, but it doesn't gives us right to attack each other personally as you have done above again. Bad manners are not an excuse.

BTW, I read and write many language than you can even think and/or dream of.

Best regards,

 

Let us be objective and see if anyone can prove me wrong on the following statements, without diverting here and there and personally attacking me:

1. F8. Rollback Rx messing up the Windows Recovery Environment for even those who try Rollback Rx for 14 days trails. The messing up regarding the Windows Recovery Environment happened for many, many years and still there is no fix for it.

2. Till today TRIM for SSDs doesn't works under Rollback Rx. Basically, Rollback Rx makes fake software RAID, which gives the fake result that TRIM is working.

No, diverting that it is not an imaging program, nor personally attacking me. Prove me wrong?

Best regards,

 

If I want to rollback (or mount a snap as a virtual drive) to recover something I had been working on or changed the hourly snap allows me to do this (to a degree). This is the main reason I have this feature enabled. Rx allows me to do the hourly snaps and there is a very low overhead to have it enabled so I do. But of course you are correct, in the event of a crash or rollback up to the minute data recovery is available.

 

No one is saying you are wrong about these 2 statements Mohamed, but the fact that the statements are true is not a condemnation of Rx, its a condemnation of Horizon Data Systems. Its not up to Rx to address these faults, its the responsibility of HDS to do so, and its this kind of action (or lack of action) on HDSs part that has me looking for an alternative to Rx even though I have had years of using Rx without having had a single issue with the software. I simply do not want to support a company that does this sort of thing.

 

Barry, let me understand you correctly. Are you saying that HDS is at fault and Rollback Rx is a good program for me to use knowing very well now:

1. It disables the TRIM on SSDs, and thus I should go ahead and use Rollback Rx and destroy my SSDs on my machines?

2. It destroy the F8, the Windows Recovery Environment, and most people don't know how to fix it. After more than one year and after much stress, I was recently able to fix it about few days ago. You are well aware of my stress in this regard. How many computers are out there which have this problem. How is Rollback Rx going to address this problem for these people and resolve this issue for them?

Best regards,

 

Basically, what is being said above that Rollback Rx is defective. The reason Rollback Rx is defective is because HDS is not at par with regard to Rollback Rx and they are not addressing the defects of Rollback Rx, therefore we should use this defective program. And, we shouldn't blame this defective program but instead blame HDS for not fixing the defective Rollback Rx.

I understand now. We are back to my understanding of English.

Best regards,

 

TROLL!!!

 

@aladdin
You already made your point. By repeating it over and over again in the same thread it does not add any more value.

@Silver0066
No argue, that Aladdin is trollin a bit, but I would not expect to read such comment from you...
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