Rollback RX v10.x (Home & Professional)

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  1. pb1

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    Hi

    New RollbackRX version 10.4 is out of today - http://horizondatasys.com/en/DownloadsAndTrials.aspx

    That which is all about the VSS service in the release notes, can anyone who knows a bit about it and what it means in relationship to the program explain it for a novice. How will i benefit from it as a user ?
     
  2. TheRollbackFrog

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    PB!, I can only guess here... mainly since HDS, as usual, doesn't update their documentation in any way when their new releases come out.

    This is the Windows 10 compatibility version... the one they originally said couldn't be done until end of January 2016. In the past, Rollback always recommended that you close any open apps/data files prior to snapshotting your system. This was to insure you had the least amount of inconsistencies in your FileSystem when the snapshot was taken... these "inconsistencies" could cause problems later when using that snapshot.

    Invoking VSS prior to a snapshot should eliminate "almost all" of those possible inconsistencies as VSS will "freeze" the FileSystem that Rollback will be making its snapshot against... things should be better. In looking at the installation SETUP.INI, it looks as though Rollback will install with this option SELECTED when installing this version.

    Disclaimer: the above is purely a guess due to total lack of information concerning the subject.
     
  3. TheRollbackFrog

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    ...addition to my above post, this version claims compatibility with Windows XP, which I believe has no VSS facility included in its design (feel free to correct me on this if untrue).
     
  4. mantra

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    hi
    may i ask a question ?
    RollbackRX version 10.4 saves snapshots in a partition where w10 is installed or can i select to save snapshot on another drive?
     
  5. pb1

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    Maybe you are right maybe not, i have no clue but i have used v.10.2 and 10.3 and there where no recommendation to close anything - ever. But besides that it sounds reasonable what you say - i think o_O .
    I have posted the question in their forum and when i get an answer i will post it here.
     
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  6. manolito

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    Win XP does have VSS, but I read several times that VSS prior to Vista was not too reliable. And also keep in mind that VSS only works for NTFS partitions (I still use FAT32 for my system drive, because it is faster and I need to access my system drive from plain DOS).


    Cheers
    manolito
     
  7. khanyash

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    So this is Win 10 compatible version.

    Previously they recommended to check with their forum to install Windows Updates or not.
    But Win 10 Home Windows Updates are automatic.So whats the scene now with Win 10 Windows Updates & RRX Home 10.4?
     
  8. TheRollbackFrog

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    In Chapter #4 of their User Guide (Taking Snapshots), after every snapshot taking option except from the HOME screen, the following WARNING is specified...

    * To ensure best possible snapshot integrity, it's recommended that you save all the files and close all running applications before taking a new snapshot.

    ...and that would be the proper recommendation if Rollback was ever snapshotting a LIVE FileSystem... which I believe it always has been.
     
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  9. TheRollbackFrog

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    Another guess here :rolleyes:...

    In their "rush" to get this out of the door, that little fact you mentioned has been ignored (on purpose, I believe) for the moment. Nothing has changed in the way Windows updates are implemented EXCEPT you (and Rollback's SETUP) can no longer defer that operation (with HOME edition anyway). With PROFESSIONAL I believe you can delay the implementation during RESTART but that's about it.

    Maybe they (and others) have figured out a way around it, but I don't think HDS has as of yet.

    Be careful...
     
  10. khanyash

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    I will wait for the info on Win 10 Windows Updates & RRX 10.4
     
  11. pb1

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    Ok !

    The vss thingy interests me because i wonder if it makes the use of RBRX safer in any way. About 3 years ago i had 2 separate events happening that was really bad experiences and 1 made it so bad that i was seconds from wrapping the Pc up to go to the service shop when it fixed itself out of the blue, i then of course uninstalled it in a hurry.
    So this time when i have been using it i am always a little nervous that something will go wrong, but it has worked like clockwork. Now i am testing AX64 to see if they have gotten it all together with this beta version that is out - and it seems like it. I will probably do a change just because my nerves would like it :p . At least for a while then i have to test RBRX 10.4.
     
  12. TheBear

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    rollback 10.4 pro works fine here on windows 10. So far. On my windows 8.1 PC I got an error when I tried to install over the 10.3 version. After uninstalling 10.3, 10.4 installed without incident.
     
  13. TheRollbackFrog

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    They have stated this afternoon that they will let the updates go through (not stopping them in any way with Rollback installations) and see what happens (yup... that sounds like a great approach :argh: ). When it blows up (like under W8.1.1), they will deal with it at that time.

    I don't think they have any other choice... be forewarned.
     
  14. bgoodman4

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    Simply wonderful,,,,,,,it boggles my mind that folks still trust this app and company enough to put the app on their PC. It was one thing when Rx was the only game in town and folks took the time to learn how to protect themselves but now that there are much safer alternatives its hard to fathom.
     
  15. Peter2150

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    Couldn't have said it any better myself.
     
  16. guest

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    Like?

    p.s: I dont qualify ax64 as alternative, for me its a different thing.
     
  17. TheRollbackFrog

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    guest... I guess I don't quite understand your inquiry.

    Rollback RX and AX64 Time Machine (as well as Macrium REFLECT with RAPID DATA RESTORE) are all snapshot tools in their primary functionality, albeit using a different method to accomplish that task. All can return your system to a previous point in time that was captured on request by the user. I see no functional difference at all.

    Other than their method of accomplishment, what makes them "a different thing?" The only functional difference I can see is Time Machine and REFLECT each are able to completely recover your system upon disaster as well as snapshot that system... Rollback RX has never been able to do that.

    Sure, Rollback RX's "method" of accomplishment is a tad faster (with recent snapshots) but BG's comment dealt primarily with reliability, not speed.
     
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  18. guest

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    For me speed and be able to go back and forth between any snapshots in a minute, is all that matters.

    I test many softwares so i cant wait 5-15mn everytime i need to go back to a previous snapshot.

    I abandoned AX64 since it was bought from its original developer. I had many issues after. Dont know much how it performs now.

    About disaster, i dont mind much, i just Format my drive and reinstall Windows if needed. Then i have a brand new clean system.

    Sure other solutions are safer but way behind in term of speed. Also i dont use SSD yet (so RX issue about it is not my concern yet).

    RX has many big issues , no one can deny it, but in my requirements, no others can beat it.

    Im not very up to date about snapshots apps , it is why i asked. If you can give me a safer solution as fast as RX i will gladly try it.

    Thanks :D
     
  19. Peter2150

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    Actually the last time I tested Rollback, v10.2 I believe the time to swap snapshots wasn't any faster then doing a macrium v6 rdr restore from windows.
     
  20. kimotheraphy

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    Something interesting happened to my Vista (err.. I like Vista) Thinkpad running Rollback Rx 10.3 free today. Tried to update baseline to current but the task failed. Twice. I had 13GB freespace on C:\ and 7 snapshots. Upon rebooting after I had invoked update baseline, I still had 13GB freespace and 7 snapshots. Repeated the update to baseline exercise again. Rebooted. Failed again. System didn't update baseline. I've just had Rollback rx 10.3 Home, for about a week. Before that I was running Rollback Rx ver 9 that I had purchased, with narry a problem. Think I will uninstall 10.3 and go back to ver 9. Wonder if anyone else have encountered what I did

    Also running Rollback 10 (paid) on two other laptops that I seldom used but haven't encountered any problems.

    Is it okay to run Rollback v 10.3 together with AX64 (beta ver)? That's what I had running on my Thinkpad when Rollback 10.3 failed to update baseline. I was running Rollback Rx 9 together with AX64 (old ver 1, paid) for years without problems. Then one week ago, I uninstalled Rollback 9, replaced it with Rollback 10.3. Then I uninstalled Ax64 old version and installed Ax64 beta version...
     
  21. guest

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    I would not run RX and AX together. It is a call for disaster.
     
  22. TheRollbackFrog

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    You should use the RBrx defrag on your system before attempting a baseline update just to make sure all available storage is really available.
     
  23. TheBear

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    Don't you have to use a boot disk to restore with Macrium Reflect ?
     
  24. Peter2150

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    Nope. It's in the boot menu. You set it up in windows and turn it loose. It boots into the recovery environment, does the restore, and re boots back to windows. Many of the restores one would use RBX for take 40-50 seconds.
     
  25. Stode

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    You can actually disable the windows 10 automatic updates, but I wouldn't recommend doing it...
    Here is instructions on doing it.
    And.. here's instructions on doing it.
    Also Google tells you about it. ;)
    I just hope HDS didn't use these "tweaks" in order for RX to work with Win 10.. :p
    .
     
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