Opera 12.13

It's...buggy as hell, Dave That's typical Opera these days, it'll run fine for a bit and then trouble starts. Re-install it, rinse, repeat. Some things are their fault, some, like problems with websites that are/were created with a specific browser/browsers in mind, are not. One thing is clear enough though, no matter where the faults lie, enough users suffer the consequences and little changes in how Opera behaves and performs. That's of course my take on Opera, but I'm obviously not alone in that opinion.

I usually hate any thought of being behind on updates, but in the case of Opera I'd happily stay with v11 if it weren't for the major craters in its security.

 

Yeah well, Opera's always had bugs. So far I'm not having any real problems. Apart from the repeating crash-cycle on my notebook. It happened right after an extension update as well, which makes me think that it was possibly that. It seems fine now.

Looks like I'm keeping Firefox (with an Opera theme) as my default browser for a tad longer ... just in case.

 

I had it crash on me once the first day... still slow as heck compared to the others... something I can't explain, but it's annoying enough to make me not want to use it..

 

Because it's just a maintenance release.

Heck people, it's a 12.1x release, not even 12.x. The changes are going to be minor, I find it hard to believe that they are causing your issues.

 

I've had more problems in the past with previous versions than with 12.13. Apart from the crashing episode the clean install seems fine. Problems are nothing new for Opera though.

 

I'm inclined to agree, I don't believe that there have been huge changes.

 

Apparently 2 fixes for a 'significant' portion of crashes..

Disable automatic update.

Follow instructions in this thread;
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1613752

Still won't fix the nonsense with Ebay and other websites, which will drive Opera to 50%+ CPU until it crashes.. Have to wait for the muppets to fix that.. I am back to Chromium for now, I can't handle these 'works great' 'broken' patch cycles, they need some version control.

 

I wonder what proportion of people are getting problems compared to those that aren't? I'll wager that Chrome & Firefox have proportionally similar problems & whinging punters when they update. On my three computers, Opera 12.13 has only crashed on one of them, & a clean install has fixed that. I still believe that an extension update precipitated the crashing. It was fine until the update flagged above the systems tray.

 

Unfortunately, after upgrading to Opera 12.13 all my bookmarks were gone (had backup, but that's no excuse for Opera). I'm sure that it was an isolated issue, because I didn't hear others having this issue.
Also, Opera keeps on NOT honouring cookie settings per site, and this bug persists since v10. Same for not fully erasing cookies when deleting them manually.
Given these problems and their persistence, I decided to uninstall Opera It's a pity, because it's a very configurable and powerful browser...

 

Hmm, maintenance, probably something that shouldn't cause more issues than there were before, right? Only Opera can pull off consistently breaking things by fixing things. I'm finding it more and more difficult to keep rooting for them, as much as I honest to God really want to keep doing so. Trust me, Opera 13 will have the same bookmark problems, the same cookie problems, the same rendering problems as previous versions. I want to be proven wrong, I just don't think I will. Opera has just lost its way for some reason that nobody outside of Opera ASA knows about. Just my two pennies, back to discussing the topic at hand.

 

tried it tonight.

the fonts do not look great if you look at Ars Technica for example.
that's compared to Firefox.

any tips on how to get better looking fonts, if that's possible?

 

I don't know what to say besides the usual I'm not experiencing any of these issues... and because of that, I can't share your feelings about Opera ASA and Opera's development. As for rendering issues, the websites you said that didn't work right in Opera load 100% fine here (as I said in another thread)... very weird.

 

No problems with the Linux versions here at all, stable for me.
Wild Hunter also says nada troubles. Strange indeed.

 

I have no troubles at all with version 12.13, believe it or not....

I do have a bugbear with gmail's new compose box not working correctly for attachments, but that has persisted since 12.12. I do wish Google tested their code with Opera as well, anything new in Google's sites seems to always cause annoyances with Opera!

 

Some sites simply do not work with Opera, period.

Greenmangaming login doesn't work with Opera, for example. A few other sites I can't remember, a nuisance nonetheless.

 

Is Opera really at fault for such sites?

BTW, greenmangaming works fine on Opera here.....unless you're talking about specific functions, I wouldn't know about that yet.

 

Opera has always mangled or broken some pages. Luckily, for me it is not a real problem.

 

new build to fix the crashes.

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2013/02/04/12-14-rc-crashloop-fix

 

Thanks Jeff. I knew that the crashes have to something do with the update function because as soon as I disabled checking for updates no crashes then.

 

I had a feeling that it was due to extension updates as well.

 

Never had problems with Opera versions.

 

Awesome Believe me, I don't want it to have problems, it just does. A lot of it has to do with websites, yes, and no, it isn't always the fault of Opera. Many times rendering issues aren't, but the fact that they do occur makes it difficult to keep Opera as a main browser. Other issues like the ignoring of cookie settings and some other bugs are the fault of Opera and haven't been fixed in version after version, and they too make it difficult to use or recommend Opera. My comments aren't meant to condemn Opera to the fiery flames of Hell or take a leak in anybody's cereal, they're simple observations and frustrations in my own experience and going by plentiful amounts of user complaints in the Opera forums I'm not the sole sufferer.

 

That fix actually works. Cheers Jeff

 

opera has been updated.
https://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=341178