New PC, any suggestions ?

That's right. I will have a very fast processor on a not-working computer due to driver problems.
I prefer a slower processor on a working computer.
Are there 64-bit drivers for : HP LaserJet 6L and HP ScanJet 5p ? If not what then ?

 

Go down the safer route, let everyone else be beta testers

Cheers

 

That's what I had in mind too. Thanks for the support.

 

My pleasure.

Cheers

 

u can use a 32-bit OS with an Athlon 64 or a 64-bit capable pentium. ur drivers will still be 32-bit too. if u use windows xp x64 then u need 64-bit drivers.

 

Are you absolutely sure about this, because I don't want to get in trouble

So I can buy a 64-bit processor Athlon or Pentium and
install MS Windows XP Professional 32-bit without any hardware driver problems and install any other 32-bit software, like MS Office 2000, ZoneAlarm, ShadowUser, Easy CD Writer or Nero, ...
And all that will run faster on a 64-bit processor, than on a 32-bit processor

If that is true, I could change my mind, but keep in mind that I don't want to be hit in my beta-test...es.

 

Yes to all, in fact I'd say most of the AMD A64 users are using 32bit OS (98,ME,2000,XP, Linux.)

 

yes im absolutely sure, but it wont run faster due to the 64-bit, however, it may run faster because of the athlon 64.

 

ErikAlbert,

That's good you are now starting to narrow down the choices, doing some research, and learning a lot all at the same time!
For CPU you are down to two choices:

No one can be absolutely 100% sure you will have no compatibility problems with any CPU Intel or AMD. There are just too many combinations of hardware/software/drivers/versions to test every possible situation.
But one can be reduce the chances of conflict (like not going WindowsXP 64bit right now).
The possibility of problems with option 2. are small enough that I would consider it.

For your everyday work, you will not see any perceived difference between the Athlon64 3200+ and P4 630J EM64T - 3.0 GHz with 2048K cache - socket 775 - 800MHz FSB - 0,09 micron (Prescott) - In-a-box with cooler [BX80547PG3000F].
Yes, the Athlon64 (at 2GHz) is faster in many things like 3D renderings (and video games) and graphics and so on, but not by a massive amount.
At some things like DIVX encoding (sometimes used when working with DVDs), the P4 is faster. Try some tests out for yourself: CPU comparison. The real world value of the P4 HT (hyperthreading) should also be considered because it allows for better multitasking (like running a full virus scan while you continue working).
I would consider them to be pretty comparable performance wise (and price wise).
Once the software catches up to the hardware of the Athlon64 (and WindowsXP 64), then the situation will be different.
The price difference between the 2 are not significant so you won't save a "bundle" by going P4.

So here's what you need to decide/find out more:

Athlon64 EVP (Enhanced Virus Protection). How effective is it in a real world situation? Would it actually prevent the buffer overflow vulnerabilities from being exploited since WindowsXP SP2 (EVP requires SP2)? If yes, then I would consider this to be a valuable security feature that may block/limit future buffer overflows as well. If EVP doesn't work well or as promoted, then the Athlon64 has the "future proofing" investment should you want to go 64 bit WindowsXP in the future. It also has a little better performance in some areas.

Also, almost any motherboard you get today will include a built in Ethernet card (Internet Card), the integrated Ethernet cards (sometimes called LAN cards) work just fine, so you do not need to buy an additional one.

How do you plan on connecting to the internet? Dial up? DSL? Cable?

 

OK FastGame & WSFuser, back to plan B

Will this be enough ?
64-processor : Intel 650 3.40GHz LGA775 800 2MB - EMT64 - Box
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium4/index.htm
RAM : DDR2 APACER 1GB PC533 LFT CL4.0
http://www.apacer.com/en/products/Desktop_Memory_DDR2.htm#

I'm still struggling with my Motherboard and VGA Card. It's depressing.

 

This is my very last version of my new PC, but I'm still not sure about
Motherboard and VGA Card


Case........ : ANTEC CASE SONATA
http://www.antec.com/ec/productDetails.php?ProdID=08138

Motherboard. : ABIT AS8-V
http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/techspec.php?categories=1&model=212

CPU......... : Intel 650 3.40GHz LGA775 800 2MB - EMT64 - Box
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium4/index.htm

RAM......... : DDR2 APACER 1Gb PC533 LFT CL4.0
http://www.apacer.com/en/products/Desktop_Memory_DDR2.htm#

VGA Card.... : X27 XFX GeForce 6200 256MB
http://www.pcware.be/product_info.php?products_id=263348

DiskDrive... : Floppy Disk Drive 3.5 - 1.44MB

CD/DVD Drive : BenQ DVDRW + DW1640 White +R
http://www.benq.com/products/product.cfm?product=554&page=specifications

Harddisk-1.. : ST380011A HDD 80GB 7200RPM U/ATA Seagate 2MB Cache 8.5ms
Harddisk-2.. : ST380011A HDD 80GB 7200RPM U/ATA Seagate 2MB Cache 8.5ms
http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/specs/ata/st380011a.html

InternetCard : D-Link DGE-530T GIGABIT DESKTOP 10/100/1000 LAN PC (32BIT) ADAPTER
http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=284

Router...... : D-Link DI-604 DSL/CABLE INTERNET
http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=62

Speakers.... : OZAKI C-MOUTH White CM616
http://www.ozaki.com.tw/global/en/products/products_Feature.php?source=series&pID=77

OS.......... : MICROSOFT XP PROFESSIONAL OEM UK (32-bit)


Keep in mind that I want to meet everybody's wishes. So I try to mix them.
I don't want a hardware war between the good guys.

 

The case looks good.
The motherboard is no good. You are not taking advantage of your CPU with that chipset on the motherboard. Needs more research.

DVD Drive: Why put a white DVD drive in a black case?

CPU: No you are not done yet.
The Intel P4 630-670 are NOT 64 bit CPUs. They are 32 bit CPUs. These models include something called EM64T (Extended Memory 64 Technology) that makes this 32 bit CPU compatible with a 64 bit OS like WindowsXP 64. Not sure which motherboard chipset supports this EM64T feature. This is good because it does not exclude moving to 64bit OS in the future, IF YOU GET A MOTHERBOARD CHIPSET THAT SUPPORTS EM64T.

This series of P4 (630-670) includes a feature called Execute Disable Bit which should be equivalent to the Athlon64's EVP. How effective it is in the real world and how it compares to EVP is a mystery, but it is nice to have that feature.

Find out the price difference between the P4 630 (3GHz) and P4 650 (3.4GHz). Intel tends to gouge for each MHz over 3.0 GHz. You may want to rather spend that money on a better motherboard/more RAM/bigger HD/etc.

Internet card: You don't need to buy a separate Ethernet card if it is included in the motherboard!

Hard drives: Seagates are good, but I think you can get the ones with 8MB cache instead of 2MB.

Don't worry about our wishes, what is important is that you get the right system for what you want. I know how the "buying fever" can be.
Just take your time and you will avoid all those mistakes you made last time.

 

Also the MB you chose supports DDR ram and you have DDR2 listed, is that MB compatible between the two ?

I agree, take your time and do more research. I think you wrote off the AMD A64 to fast.

 

for a motherboard i suggest the ASUS P5GD1 instead and for the video card just make sure to get a PCI-Express version of the GeForce 6200 TC (64mb onboard; 256mb of turbocache)

 

OK Guys, thanks again for the advices. I got ONE thing right at least : the CASE. That's a good start.
Don't you worry about buying too soon. I'm not in a hurry and I made too many mistakes in the past. I'm not that stupid.

The reason why I changed to Pentium is that some of the other components recommend a Pentium (not AMD).
I don't know if that important is or not. Is Pentium = AMD or can it make a difference for other components ?

The white CD/DVD drive was cheaper than the black one and I had a white case in that period. I will change it. (Wife doesn't agree with black, because it doesn't fit with the color of her eyes Women !!!)
I don't know why but I like that CD/DVD drive already.

I stick to Seagate, because I have 5 years guarantee, but I will change 2MB into 8MB.
80 GB is enough for me, I worked with 17 GB for years without any problems and now I have 4 times more. Once my personal files are finished, I store them on CD/DVD and remove them from my harddisk.

The tip for the internet card was very good !!!
So I don't really need one, if my motherboard has that feature.
I can spend more money on a better motherboard in that case.

I will prepare a new set of components and than ask again.

 

Hi Guys,
What for me important is, that everything fits.
Personally I think this tower is already much more than I really need, but I don't mind about that as long the price is not more than 1,250 EURO.

I THINK I did a little better this time.
I removed my InternetCard, because I think my motherboard will take care of my internet connection.
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Case : Antec Case Sonata 380Watt Black
http://www.antec.com/ec/productDetails.php?ProdID=08138
Note : I think this case has a frontdoor, because I don't see any drives. Am I right about this ?

Motherboard : ABIT AN8
http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/techspec.php?categories=1&model=259
Note : I hope this motherboard is compatible with the rest of the components.

CPU : AMD S939 Athlon64 3700 1Mb San Diego Box
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_9487^9493,00.html

RAM : DDR APACER 1GB PC400 LFT CL3.0
http://www.apacer.com/en/products/Desktop_Memory_DDR_specs.htm
Note : Motherboards that support DDR2 are too expensive, so I switched back to DDR.

VGA Card : S12 Sapphire ATi X600PRO 256DDR
http://www.pcware.be/product_info.p...70064&osCsid=52540775af10000a644884039119f06e

DiskDrive : Floppy Disk Drive 3.5 - 1.44MB

CD/DVD Drive : BenQ DW1640 CD/DVD Reader/Writer Black
http://www.benq.com/products/product.cfm?product=554&page=specifications
Note : I don't know why, but I like this one already.
Any suggestion for software to work with this one ? Roxio or Nero ?

Harddisk-1 : MAXTOR HDD 120GB 7200RPM SATA/150 9.3ms 8MB (3 years warranty)
Harddisk-2 : MAXTOR HDD 120GB 7200RPM SATA/150 9.3ms 8MB (3 years warranty)
Note : I couldn't change 2MB into 8MB for 80MB Seagate (can't be delivered at shop)
So I changed Seagate into Maxtor.

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Router : D-Link DI-604 DSL/CABLE INTERNET
http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=62

Speakers : OZAKI C-MOUTH White CM616
http://www.ozaki.com.tw/global/en/products/products_Feature.php?source=series&pID=77
Note : I wonder, if these two little boxes will fit in my motherboard.
I'm not interested in a sophisticated audio system. Two boxes are enough.

OS : Microsoft Windows XP Professional OEM UK
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Yes I think thats a nice powerful setup

If you get this make sure it's two 512mb modules, the CPU & MB are dual channel so you'll want a 512mb module in each channel.

This is the same drive I have, mine came with SonicDVD. I think Sonic works great and I got rid of Nero, add Slysoft AnyDVD (cost$$) along with DVDShrink (Free) and you have the DVD area covered.

 

Hi,
Concerning your concern about 64-bit processor vs. 32-bit software:

Well, I have bought a brand new AMD Athlon San Diego just a month ago and I'm running on it 32-bit Windows XP without any compatibility issues whatsoever. Every program that works on my other 32-bit AMD and 32-bit P4 works as perfectly and flawlessly on the 64-bit machine.
Don't worry about it. It's no beta ...
Mrk


PS: If you want EXCELLENT burning software for your dvd you can use CDBurner XP Pro (I know the name says CD but it burns DVDs perfectly) or DeepBurner, both are free. DeepBurner has more Nero-ish like look. CDBurner is more stylish and easier to use. I have burned with either both normal data and isos (cd and dvd) and no problems whatsoever.

PSS: To lay off your concern I bought the following:

San Diego
Asus AN8 PCI-E (wanted Abit they didn't have in storage)
2Gb Kingstone DDR (2.5ns latency)
Gigabyte GT6600 128Mb PCI-E
200Gb Western Digital SATA II
160Gb Western Digital SATA II
Nec DVD-RW 16x dual 8x
Philips DVD-ROM
Plus keyboard, monitor and all that miscellaneous stuff
Works like a baby!
Cost me about 1600 USD circa 1200 Euro ...

Don't remember what case I got, but 400Watt supply and 2 120mm fans, one in the back and one in the front for HDD.

BTW, the motherboard drivers also come with firewall and anti-virus ...

 

I also have something like a firewall on my motherboard :

What does that really mean in practice :
- I don't need a router/firewall anymore
- I don't need a software firewall, like ZoneAlarm anymore
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I don't have an Anti-Virus on my motherboard, but what does that mean in practice ?
- I don't need any Anti-Virus software anymore ?
- Do I have to update this Motherboard Anti-Virus ?
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Frankly, this is the very first time I hear from a motherboard with anti-virus.
They created already such a BIG MESS in the security SOFTWARES and now they are going to create such a mess in HARDWARE. The combination of both messes in Hardware and Software will be interesting

I could use an "Anti-Keylogger Natural Keyboard" though in stead of an "Anti-Virus Motherboard".
A "Microsoft Anti-Spyware IntelliMouse" would be even nicer.

 

i dont suggest u use the nvidia firewall, dont install it the nvidia network manager/firewall software. a software firewall offers more and less problems with p2p.

 

I think my last motherboard contains alot of crap.

 

I changed the motherboard from ABIT AN8 to ABIT AX8
http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/techspec.php?categories=1&model=215
Reason : didn't like the NV firewall