ok reckless fool that i am and still smarting from my last attempt at installing a well known firewall i decide to try again (doh) this time netveda steps up to bat. it gets good reviews from people and seems simple and straight forward. download netveda 3.61 onto my xp2 machine. install ok starts up ok - windows firewall off - netveda on start dialup connection asks if i want to allow - reply always dialup connects successfully now to try my various browsers select firefox asks if i want to allow - reply always MACHINE REBOOTS??!!!! after reboot get message - windows has recovered from a serious error remove netveda from startup list switch netveda off uninstall reboot switch windows firewall on dialup connects ok firefox works ok back online working fine GOOD RIDDANCE NETVEDA - another pile of crap! what is it with firewalls? are all firewall programmers on crack? it's not rocket science - why is it so hard to code a firewall that doesn't behave like a drunk in a china shop? even Microsoft firewall works! (which is more than can be said for their cd burner) NO MORE FIREWALLS!!!!