NAV LiveUpdate definitions 133 viruses behind...

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  1. javacool

    javacool BrightFort Moderator

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    Symantec NAV definitions are not released immediately on LiveUpdate - instead, they are released for manual download on the Symantec website and the LiveUpdate definitions are only updated approx. ONCE A WEEK.

    This concerns me as many people who rely on Norton Anti-Virus auto-LiveUpdate are not getting the protection until up to 7 days AFTER the viruses are ABLE to be detected. :mad: (And millions of computer users have Norton as their only defense...)

    More, and rather scary, information is provided as a direct quote from the Symantec website:
    Could anyone explain to me why there is a 133 virus difference between the LiveUpdate definitions and the Intelligent Updater definitions? Doesn't this put many regular computer users at unnecessary risk? Would it REALLY be that much more work to simply put the new definitions on the LiveUpdate server?
     
  2. Mr.Blaze

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    Re: NAV LiveUpdate definitions 133 viruses behind.

    i to am outrage i just bought nortion antiviruse 2002 im a newby so i depend on my live update cause i have no ideal what im doing at there web site.

    some one pleas help how do i update at there web site im runing windows me and nortion antiviruse 2002.

    helpppppppppppppppppppp take me step by step on what to do where to go how to install manuealy helllllllllllllpppppppppp helllppppppppppp
     
  3. UNICRON

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    Re: NAV LiveUpdate definitions 133 viruses behind.

    I guess there is no use floggin a dead horse, but why do people educated in internet security use this program when better alternatives exist?

    NOD32 is faster, wins more VB awards, updates daily without any user intervention, is less of a resource hog and has less compatibility issues.

    You don't here very many complains with NOD32.
     
  4. FanJ

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    Re: NAV LiveUpdate definitions 133 viruses behind.

    Hi MrBlaze,

    First go to this site:

    http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/download.html

    There you see the latest date of the virus definitions released for the IntelligentUpdater, and for LiveUpdate.

    Click on:
    Download Virus Definitions (Intelligent Updater Only)
    That will lead you to this page:
    http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/defs.download.html

    Choose your version:
    In your case that will be:
    Norton AntiVirus for Windows 9x/NT/ME/XP

    Choose your language.

    Click on:
    Download Updates.

    You then will be led to the page for your version and language.

    (When you use IntelligentUpdater for the first time, it might be a good idea to go to the end of that page where you can download a text file with some help-instructions.)

    Now look at the first list of versions of NAV; your version will be amongst them:
    NAV 2002 for Win98/Me/NT/2000/XP Home/XP Pro


    You have now two choices:
    1. you can download a big file in one time (at this moment it is about 3.10 MB)
    2. you can download in three different parts.

    The choice is yours; what I do is to use possibility 1, but it might depend on the speed of your connection.
    OK, lets say that you used possibility 1.
    The name of the file begins with the number of the month, then the day, then i32 then exe
    You downloaded that big file.
    All you have to do now is, after downloading, double click on that file and all the virus-definitions will be installed.

    It all might look a bit annoying, but I promise you: when you get used to it, it isn't that difficult.
    (but I have to admit: it all might depend on your connection-speed).

    I hope this helps.
    Please feel free to ask!
     
  5. Mr.Blaze

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    thank you fan j that was painless now if nortion would get it together and update live update regulerly because newbys like me go to there web site and easly get confused.

    i wish they did it this way if you have a 3month evaluation nortion that usealy comes with newly bought pc's thay have a trial subscription those people should get the late update that where all outraged about.

    and those that actualy bought there nortion and 1 year subscription should get the most up to date viruse definitions availiabe with live update that would make more sence.
     
  6. Mr.Blaze

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    UNICRON ill buy NOD32 when they out right say they wont allow fbi green lantern trojan i know nav already said yes to those goverment mofos but it to late i bought it the only way ill buy another antiviruse software is if they specificly say that they will stop all infections regardless of its source goverment or not.
     
  7. javacool

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    Re: NAV LiveUpdate definitions 133 viruses behind.

    I do not use Norton AV as my main Anti-Virus (I definitely know there are better alternatives out there) - but I do have it on some of my systems (as an extra precaution) so I have more experience with the program when I need to troubleshoot someone's problems.

    This was reported as an advisory for everyone who uses NAV as their main system (and anyone else who is just curious). I have to agree with you when you state that NOD32 is the better choice - unfortunately, it is not nearly as widely used as NAV.  :-/
     
  8. UNICRON

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    Re: NAV LiveUpdate definitions 133 viruses behind.

    You'll find mainly American companies work with the FBI on stuff like Magic Lantern, but companies outside of the USA will not. DiamondCS for instance has no intention of letting ML be ignored by TDS-3. I can't recall if Eset was american or not. I'll email Larry and ask his take on this.
     
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    will ill tell you what if you actualy get a legit e-mail from them stating that nod wil not what so ever allow that crapy hack soon to be hi jack by hackers for there owen personal use trojan ill  scrape up my money and buy it.

    im seriouse i been wondering about those keyloger trojans lol.

    also i notice some of you got software i never heard of now it isnt fair that us newbys who are less fortunite not have the same security.

    so where are these artirnitives i also would like to know if theres any free anti trojan software out there thats up to date cause its going to be awhile befor ants comes out snif=(
     
  10. FanJ

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    Re: NAV LiveUpdate definitions 133 viruses behind.

    MrBlaze,

    I forgot something:
    After you have installed the new def's using Intelligent Updater, you can delete that big file (you know, that one that begins with the number of the month, then of the day etc.).

    Cheers, Jan.
     
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    he he he thank god you told me its on my desktop right now lol gulp blaze embarresed lol right click delet lol=)
     
  12. FanJ

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    Re: NAV LiveUpdate definitions 133 viruses behind.

    Oops, I'm not on my best these evening: forgot also to say:
    When you open the NAV-screen, you can see whether the new def's are indeed installed; just look at the date!
     
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    Re: NAV LiveUpdate definitions 133 viruses behind.

    MRBLAZE, I emailed Larry McJannet from Eset in San Diego and he told me he had serious doubts the FBI would ever contact Eset at all. He also said if the US government makes it a law that all security software must ignore ML them Eset would have to comply TO AMERICAN PURCHASES ONLY, and that any other country's version would detect it fine. He figured foreign copies would make their way into the US via a quatsi-black-market. He told me that if the FBI releases information to security companies so they can exclude it, sooner or later, a free stand alone "Magic Lantern Killer" is bound to show up everywhere anyhow.

    Conclusion: Any law regarding this matter would be about as enforcable as the copyright laws for mp3s or taping a show off television, in other words NOT!

    So no worries, ML is not going to be a problem. (unless it is already on our systems....)
     
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    Re: NAV LiveUpdate definitions 133 viruses behind.

    =)lol i think im ahead of my time i was already looking for a removeal tool lol but i guess the trojan isnt finished yet lol
     
  16. Liquid_Fish

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    Re: NAV LiveUpdate definitions 133 viruses behind.

    I would be more worried about the 133 viruss that you are not protected from because symantec can't put the definitions on live update.   I'm a NAV user as well and I must say this is extremly disappointing.  First it was their pathetic trojan detection and now this, its time to look for a new AV program.  

    Thanks javac for posting this info!
     
  17. Hobnob

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    Re: NAV LiveUpdate definitions 133 viruses behind.

    Does NOD32 have incoming and outgoing e-mail scanning like NAV 2002?  
     
  18. Paul Wilders

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    Re: NAV LiveUpdate definitions 133 viruses behind.

    Incoming only. Provided one makes sure his system is clean, that should be sufficient.

    regards.

    paul
     
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    will fan j took me threw the steps of updating manuely its prerty easy lol so its not so bad.

    i save the web pg in my faves and just dowenload and install lol not that big of a deal.

    it was when i didnt know how lol but it so easy now thx fan j
     
  20. FanJ

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    Re: NAV LiveUpdate definitions 133 viruses behind.

    You're quite welcome, MrBlaze !
    I'm glad it's working OK.
    Same as you, I too have put it in my faves  :)

    Cheers, Jan.
     
  21. zappa

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    Re: NAV LiveUpdate definitions 133 viruses behind.

    JavaC, you talked me into it along with others input also.

    I dumped NAV and went with NOD32.   I think in the final tally NOD32 was  less then the update package for NAV I was looking at!!  Dang, can't beat that.

    Thanks to everyone that participated for opening my eyes.   For $40.00 why go with the second fiddle, heck I blow that on a couple of Vodka and Ice Teas,aka IcePick, at the local water hole in an hour.
     
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