Light virtualization: Returnil/PowerShadow/ShadowDefender/ShadowUser Pro

Discussion in 'sandboxing & virtualization' started by BlueZannetti, Dec 30, 2007.

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  1. BlueZannetti

    BlueZannetti Administrator

    By that logic, I guess one could say the same of any disk imaging solution. However, before embarking on this road, it's worthwhile understanding precisely what the program does, how it realizes that behavior, and what that may mean over the longer haul - which depends on the other software installed on your system.

  2. trjam

    trjam Registered Member

    The one advantage that all trapped in Sandboxie is erased as soon as you close your browser instead of waiting for the sun to come up. And it is 2 layers of virtualization.
  3. demoneye

    demoneye Registered Member

    lo blue... u got basic mistake in what u say...EAZ and snapshots taken are not using any imaging technique to do that. disk imaging is another isue so mixing it is a big misunderstod in what EAZ is doing when take snapshot...its actually write the new data in RAW sectores according to EAZ support

  4. BlueZannetti

    BlueZannetti Administrator


    I know how those applications work, I was focusing on the end result, which is basically the same, not how it's accomplished. I realize there are minor differences with respect to jumping back and forth and so on. I'm ignoring that as well.

  5. demoneye

    demoneye Registered Member

    i am sure u know this mate.. but a according to your reply its seems different.

    eventually this EAZ from my point of view may be more usefull then DF and SD... anyway its run on my sec pc for testing applications.

    cheers :D
  6. MikeNAS

    MikeNAS Registered Member

    Sandbox erased it immediatelly after program was closed.
  7. BlueZannetti

    BlueZannetti Administrator

    Then you're missing the point.
    EAZ is obviously more appropriate if application testing is the goal. Neither DF nor SD currently support state retention across a restart, DF by design, SD since this capability has yet to be implemented.

  8. trjam

    trjam Registered Member

    yours is a good setup Mike. It is what I am using on one and it works fine.:thumb:
  9. reco

    reco Registered Member

    What firewall and/or whitelisting HIPS best compliment the two layers of virtualization most-recently mentioned (assuming additional security is actually needed)? Possibly Comodo firewall?

    Considering, for personal use on an XP machine:

    1) Returnil (system protection).
    2) Sandboxie (for new apps & everyday apps with connectivity).
    3) Realtime firewall/HIPS *****Please recommend specific product
    4) Traditional AV/AS on case-by-case bases only.
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2008
  10. demoneye

    demoneye Registered Member

    my vote will go to Sandboxie + Eaz Fix... no AV is needed and system running fast.

  11. Peter2150

    Peter2150 Global Moderator

    1 Returnil is great
    2 Sandboxie is also great.
    3 Online Armor paid. Gives you HIPS, Firewall, and ability to run browsers at lower rights.
    4. For me personally I skip this one.

  12. demoneye

    demoneye Registered Member

    returnil is great program along with DF ,SD and so on.
    but as far as i try , eaz fix can act 100% like returnil and much much more , so now i test and use eaz fix + sandboxie

  13. Peter2150

    Peter2150 Global Moderator

    Yes, it can "act" the same, but it works very very differently, and that can have impacts on your system. For example, using Returnil/SD, when protection is off, imaging my system is totally routine. With EazFix, it is not.

  14. demoneye

    demoneye Registered Member

    u got the same option in Eaz Fix to full imaging of your selected hd or partition mate:)

  15. whatup2008

    whatup2008 Registered Member

    I just downloaded and installed Returnil, having used Shadowsurfer for a while I thought it would be easy enough to figure out but I have a few problems I wonder if someone could help with. Both these programs are super, Returnil is free which is great, I'm trying out Shadowsurfer for another week to two weeks in trial. It looks as though they are pretty much the same, not being tech whiz like most people on this forum, it's hard for me to really compare the two.
    Here is what I'm having trouble with....I can't shut down the Returnil, even though I've tried, in order to get the newly installed firewall (PC Tools) to remember applications. It keeps asking for approval again even when the Returnil has been shut off and PC Tools will ask for approval, then Returnil is back up and PC T. will again ask for the same programs.
    'Session lock is greyed out, no function on it. Can you tell me if Returnil and Shadowsurfer are pretty much the same, if I keep Returnil and let the SS go, would this be a good move? I have read where there seems to be some differences but not really understanding what they are, I do believe I have only one partition, I also have created the virtual partition which is a 'z' drive but supposedly this is to save anything I want to keep it permanently, I don't see where that is possible even with the virtual partition up. Icon at top indicates Returnil on, middle is to dismount virtual partition, and last is the same as the first saying Returnil is on.
    Sorry if this post sounds like rambling, hopefully it makes sense enough for someone to give a few pointers. Thanks in advance...
  16. Coldmoon

    Coldmoon Returnil Moderator

  17. connect4

    connect4 Registered Member

    Hi Lucas1985.

    You said that integrity checking is much more powerful that than regular AVG checking. And this statement is intriguing.

    Can you elaborate on how exactly would you use an integrity checker to protect your PC?

    For example, If I used a program like runscanner, could I use that program as the only integrity checker for my main administration files %program files%, %windows% and %registry%

    And how exactly would I use the program to help protect myself from malware?
  18. twl845

    twl845 Registered Member

    Just a note. Returnil v2.0.0.5007 is a released premium version, as is RVS 2008 v2.0.0.5011. :D
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2008
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