kav or tds

Discussion in 'other software & services' started by YODA, Apr 12, 2003.

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  1. YODA

    YODA Registered Member

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    hey guys,

    I got norton as an AV, but i was wondering would be better for detecting trojans. KAV lite? or NAV and TDS?.

    Well i see it like this...

    Kav lite, good AV and AT... cheaper than TDS and i will be running constantly in the background and day to day updates.

    Now if i get TDS, which is a great program would cost more and would have to run it manuelly. But i see if i get TDS it would focus better on trojans while i can still use my nav for the AV.

    What r ur opinions guys? if u got both TDS and KAV ... i would like to hear from ur experiences with them.

    YODA
     
  2. Smokey

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    The words AV and AT explaines already everything.

    An AntiVirus program is developed for detecting virussen, and can catch some Trojans, an AntiTrojan program is developed for detecting Trojans.

    If you want to be sure to be protected against virussen AND trojans you need a separate AV and AT program.

    However, like I explained, an AV can detect SOME trojans, Kaspersky AV is what AntiVirus programs concerns one of the best in trojan-detection but never can do the job like TDS does.

    Statement of DiamondCS (TDS):

    "I have an anti-virus program, do I need an anti-trojan program?

    Leading anti-virus systems are good at detecting viruses, but relatively poor at trojan detection. TDS detects several thousand trojans that we can confirm are still not detected by any anti-virus programs. One reason for this is that anti-virus researchers have a lot more to deal (such as over 50,000 viruses!) so they must limit how much time they spend on anti-trojan research. This is not the case with TDS, where we work fulltime doing nothing but trojan research and development."

    I can only agree with their statement, it explains everything and gives a correct answer on your question.
     
  3. Jooske

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    Yod@, only if your KAV is free it would be cheaper in money to get it, but in all other cases...........
    Haven't seen you quite a while on the forums, haven't we?

    Like said: KAV Lite, AV/AT depending on you license (unless changed in the meantime) would only alarm but not clean out, is that still right?

    TDS-3 top notch, detecting trojans/worms, protecting and blocking and enable you to get rid of them, submit for further advice to the lab, etc., checking your system in every sense for more then just trojans and worms, mutexes, etc.

    For the moneys: i did not check the KAV Lite, wasn't that around $19,95 with a yearly renewal of the same or 20-50% rabat on that?
    Great: TDS-3 at this moment this week only in stead of $49,xx now 20% rabat so $39 and for registered people free upgrade to the TDS-4 and no yearly renewal fee, daily updates, two support forums, email support, lots more.

    I don't even consider it a comparision, sorry, as we talk about complete different products.

    DCS is working on several new products, like the resident scanner you talk about to work beside the TDS-4 Pro and another guard thing and WG-4 and a few free tools we started beta testing with great satisfaction, and the PE etc.
    This is why i'd advice you to shop around patiently, or get the TDS-3 offer immediately as it will never be cheaper again. At least get all the available evaluations there and the free tools you can use, as that's what they are: use-full.

    Keep your NAV as your current backup scanner if you like it, but don't even consider a same kind of thing like KAV Lite beside it, you should really look for a special trojan/worm software to be much more complete and better protected and if money ever allows you a special AV like for instance NOD32 beside it. Then if you keep NAV or KAV Personal (much stronger and more options then Lite) as second opinion is up to you.
    Have an evaluation d/l at http://tds.diamondcs.com.au install and update the database for your first scan and see what it does for you. A configuration advice is in the TDS forums here.

    WormGuard will protect you from worms in other ways then TDS does, from scripts running and lots more.
    Port Explorer will show you all connections mapped to processes, enabling you to spy on what packets are containing in and out your pc and block them, kill them, be immediately warned for possible suspicious connections, and lots more. You'll most probably like the utilities and the automated whois in that one.
    So these three and what's coming next in the 4th generation will really make you happy, which is why if there was not this very special offer this week only for TDS at 20% cheaper then ever i would advice to shop around very quietly.

    Please check in the DCS forums here and on their site for all info, support, post your questions and let us know how it goes!

    Several users have the scans in the taskmanager, updating either manually or registered versions option for auto-update. Not to forget the constant protection with the exec protection in the registered version, blocking all malicious files from executing immediately.
    For most systems once a week a full system scan is enough.
     
  4. solarpowered candle

    solarpowered candle Registered Member

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    Hi Yod@. You asked if anyone has both Kav Lite and Tds3. I have both of these. Personally I could get by with my surfing habits with just Kav Lite and did so for a time. However I got bored and thought I would invest in a anti trojon so I did . Tds3 is very good and there is excellent support which is very important . They both run fine on my system . Kav Lite is a very good option especially if one doesnt wish to spend a lot on protection. And an excellent choice as it has the same downloads as the more expensive versions of Kav personal and professional. You could trial them by down loading the Kav Lite http://www.kaspersky.com/downloa....=124202
    unfortunately its only for demonstration purposes only; i.e., it is only for checking a computer for virus-presence. In order to "treat" your computer, you have to buy a registered product version. But it will give you a feel for it . ( Or wait for the new KAV 5 beta thats due out in the near future) And the TDS3 trial download is http://tds.diamondcs.com.au/index.php?page=home
    In many ways you are best to have a play with them and see how it all flows. I have never used Nav , however if you still have time up your sleeve with the liscence why not stay with Nav untill its time to renew your liscence . (Not to sure if KAV likes another anti virus on the same pc at the same time either )
     
  5. Jooske

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    KAV and TDS is no problem, I had AVP (former KAV) and NOD32 and NAV and theCleaner on different partitions testing with no problems, had to remove mcafee and on my system innocculate (EZ..something now) was absolutely dangerous so removed that, with sophos was not nice either so removed that too, and since removing NAV system runs much better. But all this depends on local system circumstances, of course.
    If ever more scanners are installed (except BOClean, TDS, WG) never have more then one resident.
    I start the one i feel inspired to, manually, while TDS is started manually after reboot, WG is on all time of course.

    Also when installing any other software and scanner, please make sure all other scanners are really closed during that install process, and depending on your system you might like to close WG too during installation of firewalls for instance. After reboot you can try your new gem and enable WG and whatever you like.
    This way you'll prevent lots of trouble or bad installations because files were in use etc.
    NAV, KAV, NOD32 i never heard those would not be able to be installed on one system, but just don't run them at the same time or maybe in current versions also that might have been solved (i mean especially for the email scanning for instance you might prefer not to close), better ask the developers like there is the Eset here for NOD32 if you like to look at that special AV too, and there are frequently KAV people passing by here who might be able to answer this too.

    We think choosing your security software is something to take your time for and shop around, try out what it does for you, ask questions like you do now, and the only reason i say not to wait too long with TDS is because of their current offer, but normally i would advice to take all the evaluation time you need or like after installing. You are rather secured at the moment, and i think you're looking for more layered protection and not all there is but all which really serves your needs.
    My own experiences are in the forums and i'm happy with it. Not only because i made TDS central on my system, for more then security matters, but read that in the DCS places :)
     
  6. root

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    If money is an important issue, KAV lite is not a bad choice. KAV has a better detection record for Trojans than NAV does, I think.
    Personally, if I had NAV already and money was real tight, I would run KAV lite resident with NAV as a backup scanner.
    TDS is good, no doubt about it. I use it myself.
    I do not recall ever seeing an AT comparrison test where TDS outscored KAV with any great margin. But there are not a lot of AT comparrison tests around that have a very long record of doing extensive testing that I am aware of.
    Avp/KAV have proven themselves to me over a long period of time. I have a personal preference for KAV and thats all it is.
    I'm just looking at this from a money standpoint. If money is not a big issue, then TDS is always a good investment. I look forward to TDS 4.
     
  7. YODA

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    hey guys,

    Sorry been busy jooske/wilder family, thats why i haven't been on the forum much.

    As for the topic.... Yah its kinda of a money issue. :doubt: i'm a poor student unfortunately. Hey root, if it wasn't to much could u find me some test scores of TDS and KAV in AT comparrisons.. i would like to see how much of a diffrence there is. I'm kinda looking at price to quality wise. I know TDS is really good, but if there isn't that big of a margin....i might look into KAV lite, saving $30. I'm thinking i could use KAV lite, and NAV / GAV as backups. But if ne one has anygood suggestions to any combos that i could use... without costing to much plz leave a post.

    btw thanx guys for the fast responses...

    YODA
     
  8. bellgamin

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    Dollar for dollar, that's a $20 package that's hard to beat.

    For a fascinating discussion of KAV Lite vs KAV standard,
    Check this out
     
  9. Jooske

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    No reasons to excuse yourself YOD@, it's good to be noted, gives that warm feeling, doesn't it? :D

    I didn't know the KAV Lite is only $9 now?
    Lite version or the Personal was free with PCMagazine in March here in the Netherlands, in the means that when you registered it before date ?? you got a free licence for a whole year.
    At the moment there's that TDS $39 offer, which is back $49 by tomorrow.
    But this is once, no yearly renewal fees.

    Wasn't there a DOS version for free of the KAV family?
    I mean: you have at the moment NAV, which has several nice options with the email scanning etc.; thought the emergency diskettes run from DOS too, don't they? I would update those regularly then from the updated NAV and use them for scanning once a week in normal circumstances, and resident from your windows. And/or regularly at the free online scanners (i would go for different ones each time, as all have their own databases).
    It's really good to be able to scan from DOS and Windows, for virusses, trojans, worms, other malicious things.
    Don't forget the antispy programs as there are those from JavaCool and adaware and spybotS&D in your arsenal.
    (all free).
    I personally prefer KAV too over NAV, but since you have NAV, keep it as long as license allows.
    It is av/at, same with KAV. As TDS is AT/AW you will need AV protection beside it. It is not a scanner like the others, it is more a set of 50 different tools of which several ways to really deal with infections. Read their "16 ways to smell a rat" which aer over 20 now. With scripting you can make more functions you like yourself.
    Did you from their free tools section ever get the Mirclean thingy, with which you can scan really fast for specific nasties?
    If you decide to keep the NAV, remember also their yearly amounts, so the price difference is not really $30, as you will need the one or two of them beside a future special AT.

    Tests are a hot item here in the forum and opinions about the test results as well.
    GAV as a backup? Hmm it might be in future, but now..... hmmm.

    Yeah, the TDS-4 family might have all we need. Looking forward to more betatesting. But as it still will be for trojans and worms (and more nasties people might not be aware they excist, NTFS ADS streams, etc.) you will still need any good AV product beside it, so investment in the NAV you have already or KAV you might like to get beside it is not lost at all.
    Anyway, do yourself a very big favor and get the evaluation for free and see if you like it at all yourself, for if not, not any needs to think about it! :)
    Walk over the forums, see the support, see users reactions, which tell me much more in general then tests.
     
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