Is TDS-4 a high priority for you?

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  1. worldcitizen

    worldcitizen Registered Member

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    Thanks Rich,

    I'll give it a try.

    Dave
     
  2. Carver

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    I don't like the idea of suites, in a suite you might have a good AV; mediocre Firewall; very poor spam protection. The idea in building your own suite is to have the best of the best for your needs.
     
  3. Jooske

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    I do like the TDS (Trojan Defence Suite) very much! Lots of very nice tools for our system, network, ports, communication, and lots of other handy tools.
     
  4. Golem

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    I want TDS-4 to be developed as the best in its class. The problem with a lot of suites is they are too complicated, expensive, eat up resources, and slow down the computer to a point where the infection (i.e. popups) is almost preferable.

    I think a top-notch product which does the job virtually 100% which has a very easy to use interface, guides the novice/unsophisticated user through the processes of protection and elimination, doesn't cost a lot, and is efficient with resources, and, most importantly, has timely and effective support, will always have a good to excellent market.
     
  5. Triple Helix

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    No I feel it's not!! If it is not finished or they push it out to soon Because some Complain where is it, where is it :mad: ?? I feel TDS-3 is Great as is, I still want to see A Bigger, Badder TDS-4 for the Future to come! But only when it is ready not before!!:p


    Cheers,:D
     
  6. Carver

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    The Suite of utilities of TDS-3 revolve around Trojans & communication, I bought TDS-3..2 days ago :). I was holding out for TDS-4, but I don't think it is coming out soon :(
     
  7. worldcitizen

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    Not a high priority for me. I almost never ever have had the need to use TDS 3 although I have it installed, so I can do without TDS 4 and it's no priority for me. Even when I have TDS 3 installed I never have to use it. I bought it because everyone said it's the best but never ever needed to use it so TDS 4 is certainly not a high priority for me because there simply is no urgency. It is not a program that one must have to live on the internet. The amount of time it's taken so far to release it has shown me that I don't need it and that life goes on without TDS 4 as usual and I'm not getting infected without it so it's not missed whatsoever.

    TDS 4 can take as long as it wants as it makes absolutely no difference to me having the program or not. I only bought it because people said it was the best and I wanted to have the best but so far I've found very little use for TDS 3 and for sure TDS 4 will be the same so it's not a priority for me at all.

    Dave
     
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  8. carver

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    One of the checks TDS-3 runs when you start up is traces, I found that I was loaded with Trojans. I have done online scans for trojans before(several places), and have found I was clean. I don't think I would have found them with another Anti-Trojan.
     
  9. Notok

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    I do look forward to TDS-4, especially a leaner and meaner real-time component, but I wouldn't call it a priority at this point. It'll come when it comes, I guess, but do wish we could at least get an idea of where things are at so as to actually be able to prioritize :) I've always hated comparing, but I thought jv16's development blog was a fantastic idea in this regard, it pretty much killed the nagging. Otherwise, though, I try not to think about it much, and just enjoy their other apps.
     
  10. Jooske

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    Carver, talking about traces, did you look at this thread https://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=29034 and if needed please open a new thread to discuss your problem?

    For people discussing the suite-concept:
    The current TDS is a suite already as we're using it since years of it's existence. Remember Wayne said there will be separate programs we can use stand alone and integrated. We can expect the several items to use the same databases and install the items of our need/liking.
    We want all the protection and as light in resources as possible.
    So a resident hook like the exec protection idea, but do we like a resident scanner (those are consumers!) or an on demand scanner, i definitely like the scripting option to be able to add to our needs, i like the network tools, plugins, i just like TDS as it is but maybe more actual technologies build-in if there are. Maybe a radius4.
     
  11. Tuggboat

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    I'm not sure Its a real priority for me for several reasons.
    1st, I don't know what it is so how can I know if I need it.

    2nd The main reason I was waiting for it is as soon as something flakey starts happening I think I have some new invisible malware, some demon rootkit or the equivilant. I got rootkit revealer and that put my mind at ease.

    3rd, My main problem is configuring all these tools so they don't kill each other while I'm trying to protect them. Thats my highest priority and no new magicware is gonna fix that dilemma. Just figuring out which forum is the right one to post questions at is a mystery to me. is it a PG wg firewall or triple redundency on component checking (hmm, perhaps I do need it all put together :))

    And I guess the last reason I don't put TDS$ high on my priority list is that I don't think its smart to put a real advanced engine out there until its needed. If an advanced engine is released the race will be on to beat it and new trojans will be developed to meet the challenge. I say keep it under wraps till tds3 can't handle something. and spend the time rewriting the helpfiles for the other products to the high tds3 standard.
     
  12. Vikorr

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    Umm....I'm all for releasing advanced engines as soon as they work properly. Spyware makers aren't going to stop making their products sneakier and sneakier just because you don't advance your technology..
     
  13. worldcitizen

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    The TDS 4 Scanner will always be a top priority because it is the best trojan scanner around and I hope too that they make the scanning layout with better fonts but the priority of a real-time hook depends on how pro-active the hook is. Will it take over from the Anti-Virus or will it not intervene unless the AV misses something which may not be often if at all? The priority of a TDS 4 Guard for me depends very much on how pro-active it is compared to my AV. I would prefer TDS 4 Guard to intercept trojans than my AV but will that be possible or an option?

    Dave
     
  14. tuatara

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    True, but ...this will not only be your main problem, but one of the largest problems for the DCS developers.

    TDS-3 is not really a resident protection (ok it has execution protection),
    but if you run it with Kaspersky, you'll see that in (by far) the most cases
    Kaspersky will intercept the Trojan before TDS-3, because you have not
    run the TDS-3 on-demand scan yet.

    If TDS-4 will improve in catching virusses even without the on-demand scan
    (like BOCLEAN does) the risc of getting conflicts between those 2 will
    only increase. (KAV <-> TDS-4)

    The same problem occurs now, if your TDS-3 on-demand scan finds a trojan,
    and your AV does at the same time.
    The file(s) gets locked (that ain't easy for a lot of users) and disable your virusscanner or Anti-trojan is not somenthing everybody like to do.

    So, yes i think this is a serious problem.

    Of course now DCS has the technology of PG, this will be implemented
    and it will prevent a lot of malware.

    But the problem with PG is that it doesn't say WHAT is malware
    and what is not.

    And this was just the thing most users liked about the AV AT AS software,
    you install a lot of programs and those tools will say what is junk and what is not!.

    With PG this is not the case, of course for the insiders this is not a problem,
    and they will buy PG or TPF2005, Prevx or SSM etc. etc.

    And .. it would be nice if TDS-4 was an antimalware product instead of
    a anti-trojan. It is almost impossible to say what is an Trojan or Virus
    today, those things get mixed up and you get something like a
    trojan-virus or a spyware-trojan etc.

    And all the products like Kaspersky are no Anti Virus-only products anymore
    but are also anti-trojan,anti-dailer etc. etc.

    So you soon get an overlap in stacking those products.

    Thus, TDS-4 must become a complete antimalware product,
    it certainly had enough time to develop something like this.
    (see A2 and Ewido etc.)

    Of course this is my personal opinion and i'll be happy if others
    don't agree on this ;)
     
  15. beetlejuice69

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    Well I`m just glad I found out my wife can use my licence to update if I drop dead before TDS-4 is out...takes a lot of worry off my shoulders. :)
     
  16. tuatara

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    Don't you have kids or grandchildren etc. so they can hand it over to the next generations, i got the license because of the fact that my grandpa's
    grandpa's father died back in ...

    i've heard they found a cave in Australia where they found
    a flint or stone carved with TDS-3 Beta 1 on it..

    :D
     
  17. beetlejuice69

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    Hey now why doesn`t that surprise me? :)

    ...and no, no kids. :)
     
  18. quack(s)

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    Well I have it on good authority that it will 'bake a cake' too! And i luv cake :D
     
  19. dallen

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    I'm willing to wager that beetlejuice69 has children before TDS-4 is released. Shoot, I'd almost be willing to bet that I stumble across a woman that is actually willing to marry me before it's finished... o_O Maybe I'll actually have children first. ;)
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  20. Jooske

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    A diamond mine. They're so much ahead of all the world, those Aussies.
     
  21. tuatara

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    I asume you don't mean this regarding the TDS-4 release date

    :D
     
  22. worldcitizen

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    Tuatara, actually I'm afraid you're wrong there & Jooske is absolutely right.

    By the time TDS 4 is released we (Aussies) will be ahead of all the world for the longest time it's ever taken to release a software update! LOL.
     
  23. Snook

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    Yes, it's high priority but I've been playing with the new version of Autoruns v8.0 from Sysinternals. It's nice, really nice.
     
  24. beads

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    Well theres some really interesting thoughts here on the direction and vision for DCS, et. al.

    Heres my 2 cents.

    First thing that appears to be certain is that there needs to be more true intergration. Until reading these posts I really treated all these products as stand alone.

    Second thing. I don't care which suite, stand alone or quasi-mixture of products out there your using some one is going to find something the others didn't. Case and point. Unistalled Norton 2004 last night without a hitch. Subscription had run out, last week and I was ready for a change to PC-cillian (in this case a Trend freebie for attending a lunch). PC-cillian immediately finds an old version of the blaster worm that Norton missed. Everyone has a story like this. Its very common. No big deal.

    None of the commercial or shareware/freeware products find every instance of malware out there forcing admins to use more than one scanner and for some of us (*ahem*) more than one suite. What Tarantula mentioned earlier is one of my pet peeves of the industry. Software that doesn't play well with one another. Heres the catch to the whole thing. Perhaps more attention could be placed on testing less competitively than say complimentary ways. Ensuring that two suites could be used at the same time without stepping on each other.

    I know this sounds absolutely insane on its own surface merits but don't rule out admins and tech-heads altogether yet. If done well, you could easily cross sell for compatibility to other vendor suites. If say PE/RG with a Norton, Trend, Panda - whatever. Works and plays well may sound a bit like the old "Runs on Novell" campaign but it still sold a great deal of software without meaning that you could only run WordPerfect off the server.

    Always the small business guy - LOL!

    - beads
     
  25. beads

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    Oooops!

    So, sorry Tuatara for the spelling error!

    - beds (sp)
     
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