JimBob, The best I can do is offer to hear your side if you wish to IM me but IMO this is not the way you need to learn to deal with brick walls you come upon. I also realize Wilders is just one of a thousand Forums where individuals can come to chit chat on this super highway and unless you go against what the owners have laid out as a TOS....I am supposed to allow a member\guest to post. Well....this is one where I'm going to close a post and ask you as a member to go take a break....a time-out if you will. Regards, Bubba