First Defense

Hi all..I made a snapshot yday but had to go back to it as bad program was installed..anyhow i noticed now the one i created is now got a green arrow next to it..and it says primary on yellow one underneath?? Now i booted to this snaphot do i need to make a new one or can i keep using the same snapshot to boot back too... like if i get a virus later will this snapshot b ok still..even thought is primary that make sense i uploaded a picture thanks MD

 

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Use the Sept.18 Snapshot to update the Primary, that way the Primary will be identical to the Sept.18; you would have taken the Primary "back in time" and the bad software program will be gone.

Acadia

 

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ok thanks for that but I've gone back in time already and its gone that picture taken when i went back? so do i still update the 18th thanks Acadia

 

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maddawgz, sorry, I'm not sure exactly what you're asking.

Was the bad software program only on the Primary Snapshot and not on the Sept.18 Snapshot? When you booted over to the Sept.18 Snapshot, did you then use the Sept.18 Snapshot to update the Primary Snapshot?

If you did that, then YES, the bad software program will be gone and you can now reboot back into the Primary Snapshot and continue using it. Good luck.

Acadia

 

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Yes, I have Peter .. FUN TIME!!

Acadia

 

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ok thanks got it...btw how u get the newer version?? whats different in it?

 

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http://www.raxco.com/support/windows/SupportOptions.cfm

Just follow the instructions on the above link and they will send you to another link where you can download the new version; will not cost you a dime. Main change in the new version is the ability to archive Snapshots onto another hard drive; the archived Snapshots are not bootable like the regular Snapshots but there is also no limit (other than drive space) to how many of them that you want to store (whereas the regular Snapshots limit you to ten).

Acadia

 

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Or instead of rebooting after you've updated the "Primary" using Sept. 18 as the source, rename what was the "Primary" to the present date (Sept 19?). And then rename the "Sept. 18" (the green one) to "Primary."

 

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As I understand it, it is best to always keep your primary snapshot (which was your original c:drive) always as your primary because that is the one and only snapshot that you should never delete. All Snapshots that you create can be deleted; the primary was never created, it always was. If you rename your Primary you may forget which one it is and accidently delete it; then you could have some real problems.

Acadia

 

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Hello Acadia,
Here's what I wrote to Raxco about renaming snapshots and their answer..

-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 22:41
To: Windows_support
Subject: Product Support Request for FirstDefense-ISR - Purchased - Software Assurance or Maintenance customer
Product: FirstDefense-ISR
Product Version: v 2.14.122
Software Status: Purchased - Software Assurance or Maintenance customer
Registration:
Issue: General Question

Problem Description: Let's say while working in the Primary (green arrow) I download a bad program. I then boot into a 2 day old Secondary snapshot. While in the Secondary snap I update the Primary snap using the Secondary as the source. When that's done, both snaps are now identical. Considering that the Secondary now has the green arrow is there any difference whether I just rename the snapshots or should I re-boot back to the Primary? Either way, I'm still 2 days back in time, yes?


Hi ,
Yes, you are correct. No, it doesn't matter what you call them as long as they make sense to you
Regards,
Jason Claiborne
Senior Systems Engineer
Windows Software Support
301.519.7888
On the Web @ http://www.raxco.com/support/windows/

 

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Hi Peter2150..I see where you're coming from.

The point I was trying to make, in the example I gave him, is that the difference between the Primary and Secondary is time and content. The Secondary was 2 days older and some files were excluded when it was created. The Primary is 2 days younger and has those excluded files plus whatever more it accumulated in those 2 days.

So, if I went back to the Secondary and updated the Primary from there, I'd have lost those newer files.

And I've done that..but before I booted back, I saved what files I didn't want to lose to a second drive or removable media. (don't forget e-mail)
Same thing as going back to the Secondary and uninstalling FD and the Primary...you'd just wind up with 2 day old image.

So, that's the damage that can be done.

The more I think about, your way sounds better.
Rebooting is fast enough.

 

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For what it’s worth: it works.

Here's what I did Saturday morning.

I booted into the secondary snapshot and while there I “removed” the primary snapshot. The only result was that the used space on C drive went down about 50%, as expected.

Next, I completely uninstalled FDISR through Add/Remove. (Chose “Remove All” not “Just Program Only.”)

Then, starting fresh, I reinstalled FDISR and created a secondary snapshot. Now C drive doubled, as expected.
Next, I booted into the secondary snapshot and this time I completely “uninstalled” FDISR from the secondary snapshot. (again, chose “Remove All” not “Just Program Only.”)

Prior to doing all this, I had prepared an image of C drive and an FDISR snapshot, both archived to my second HDD just in case something went wrong.

Finally, I reinstalled FD and imported that archived snapshot and I’m back to where I started. No problems.

(another quote: "No, it doesn't matter what you call them as long as they make sense to you."
Regards,
Jason Claiborne)

 

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VERY interesting WWS, thanks for being willing to make yourself the guinea pig!

Acadia

 

It was taking me an eternity to use this program

I use goback on one of my systems and true image on 2 others. I was really interested in first defense and I tried the trial. I have about 25 gigs on a 200 gig WD 200. It indicated it was going to take a long time, (can't recall), but I think we are talking hours.

Is it possible that it's that slow? I was running to a usb2 external 300 seagate. I can image the entire drive with true image in approx. 15-18 min.

This program really sounded great, but not at the expense of tying up the system for such long periods of time.

I sure would appreciate your thoughts on this.

Thanks.

 

Re: It was taking me an eternity to use this program

Sorry for being off-topic...

I think it did just save my butt. Tonight I install the newest version on Zonealarm on a computer that I formatted 4 days ago. After ZA was installed, I rebooted. For some reason I believe that either Windowblinds or DesktopX was causing some problems with the new install. After I logging on to my account, the ZA window popped up that asks you to select trial, purchase, or enter key. While this window was open I could see some of my programs loading via the task bar. As soon a Windowblinds appeared in the task bar my computer would lock up. Used FristDefense to get my computer up and running to the state before the ZA install. So I’m pretty much sold. BTW thanks again Acadia for answering my quick question..

 

Your welcome, NAMOR, ironically enough, I also had to use FD last evening when a new build to one of my programs rendered my system unbootable. Did the exact same thing that you did, booted into one of my older Snaps, updated my Primary with the older one, bingo, Primary was as good as new. Needless to say, I am NOT going to be upgrading to that new build ... it did not contain anything important anyway ... thank you, First Defense ... AGAIN!

Acadia