feature list comparison with RollBack Rx

Yours too danny9.

When something works well for you theres no sense in changing it. Just some permanant bug fixes would be nice in Rollback Rx. The rest is my ideas but not neccessary since FD-ISR does it all for me.

 

Hello
Guess this thread has pretty much played out...
I haven't had Rollback installed for some time...been going with FDISR as safety net. The release of V8 (heh with the 50% discount is making me think again about how I can include this utility to my benefit...

Chris 1293

This is an issue/are aspects that have not gone away.

@Peter

Heh: I know you love testing, and we often benefit: but
Lets see a batch file for that !!

I know you have predicated this with "if I have a problem" but, forgive me, this seems incredibly complex and prone to ( in my case anyway ) wetware failure. Too many clicks in the correct sequence at the wrong time of the day = ...oh buggrit..

How is this better than VMWare, fdisr and BING SP ?, or combo of same. You have tested FDISR to extremes. Rollback does NOT image well.
I can see the advantage of superfast snaps.


There seems little doubt that RBRx and FDISR have their uses,
on balance to my way of thinking:
FDISR:
Cons: space issues, speed of new snaps, recent support issues.
Pros: Reliability, saves wetware by default.

RBRx:
Cons: messes with MBR, file indexing system not amenable to most imaging tools, RARE but catastrophic failure, s l o w offline snap save. (Prolly only BING/IFW/IFD in 'raw' copy mode ( ?Paragon) could save multiple snaps?) Imaging utility needs to save from track 0 to save RBRx intact.
Preboot recovery: but to where?

Pros: FAST, multiple snaps = very cool (could be a con if you got lost )
New version seems more stable.

Obviously both tools have their uses and supporters.

@silver 0066: what else do you have installed for recovery and how is it configured. ??

Maybe VMWare and RBRX in several copies of base line vm will be a top solution for testing ??

...bumbling along as usual...2c here and there

Regards.

 

@Longboard

Sorry to hear your troubles. I have used Rollback version 7 and 8 both on Xp Pro and Vista Home Premium. None of the configs have lost data. But again any program including FDISR and others (ATI) can have issues to cause data loss. So although unforunate data can be lost by many programs. *please no FDISR comments like yea but I can store snapshots offline* because you can also do that with Rollback 8. Maybe not as fast or easy but it can be done. I don't think I overhype Rollback. I think I give concrete proof (correct me if I'm wrong). I have never said Rollback is more stable than FDISR or easier to store offline snapshots. I just listed facts. I tell people rollback works great for me with no data loss and I recommend it over FDISR.
FDISR is a great program I do not say otherwise.

Thanks,

Chris

 

@Chris1293

No specific issues here with RB since early issues with V7 to do with imaging and restores. Atm I just dont use it (found the install exe in a folder the other day after these threads stirred my interest again) but as noted: always open to other options if they work good.

Out of interest: you obviously have no problems with ATI and RB?

Again, ooi, are you using english version of Viguard?: a utility which has always intrigued me but has been a bit elusive to date: do you have a link to english versions for dl or support? heh: might install into an RB snap.

 

I have been using FD-ISR for two years with no data loss. FD-ISR is as stable as they get. I started using Rollback v7 in July 2006 along with FD-ISR and had chkdsk problems with Rollback that trashed my system, and I sent Rollback back for a refund. Earlier this year I trialed V8 and it worked great for a couple of weeks. I then purchased 3 licenses for it. Several weeks later, it trashed two of my computers due to chkdsk problems. I then switched back to the updated V7 and have been using it without incident for about 2 months now.

I am NOT fully confident that Rollback won't trash my system again. If it does, I still have ATI and FD-ISR archives to restore my system quickly.

I would NEVER recommend Rollback over FD-ISR to anyone. However, using both in combination with a good imaging program has enhanced my computing experience and with FD-ISR and ATI, I am very confident that my system can be easily recovered if Rollback has another chkdsk failure.

 

I had chkdisk problems with Rollback 7.2.1 but no data loss that I know of. Now using version 8 so far with no problems but I am always wondering when this problem might come again. Giving Rollback another chance to see if it will be stable because I love its advantages in being a system restore function on steroids so to speak. Have not tried FD-ISR yet but keeping it in mind always. SP image backing up all just in case of disaster.

Gary

 

I'm just curious. Is this because you ran chkdsk whilst RollBack was installed? I only ask because I've never run chkdsk on Windows XP.

 

FDISR is worth $69 considering its reliability and possibilities, but RollbackRx doesn't deserve that price at all, $25 would be more reasonable.

 

Somehow I knew you'd chime in. Yes FDISR is worth 69.00 and please tell me beside this stability issue that very few people are having with Rollback what are these possibilities that FDISR has that Rollback doesn't. I keep hearing you say FDISR is the greatest thing since sliced bread so please tell me about all these possibilities.

Thanks,

Chris

 

I think we can argue the merits of both programs till the cows come home, but it's obvious both have their benefits. They are different programs with similar goals in mind. It is even possible to run both on the same machine if one so wished.

One of the moderators over at HD forums said this in answer to why HD are supplying a "competing" product:

I'm not sure people would have 40k snapshots anyway, but I think the point he was trying to make is that there are different needs and either one of the products will suit one individual/group better than others.

Please can we stop this FD-ISR/RollBack back-biting? Both are excellent products in their own right, and will suit one person more than another, but let's call a halt to the "my product is better than yours" form of discussion this has turned into in parts.

I'm sorry, but I just felt it needed saying.

 

@Tony

I understand what you are sayinf. I originally only posted features rollback had FDISR disn't because thats what the OP asked for. Then it appeared instead of comparisons some people started a little bashing not comparing so i had to jump in. The last post from me was not saying either product was better but asking Erik what are all the possibilities he keeps mentioning. There is really nothing besides RAID support for FDISR that gives FDISR any more possibilities that I can think of. But I'm fine with what your saying since none of this helps the OP. Although it does help FDISR resellers so they are happy I'm sure

Thanks,

Chris

 

This is really a biased statement. As I had said many times, both are not better software, just different. We can choose what we like for our needs.

No need to make such a biased statment. You should heed the wise advice of TonyW given to Chris and it should really apply to you too.

 

I'd like to point out I wasn't aiming my comments just specifically at Chris.

I'm just aware of what has been said in certain parts of this discussion by a few people, and I could see it possibly rearing its ugly head again hence I felt I needed to say something for the benefit of all who read here.

 

Point me to one time where FD-ISR could possibly make for data loss, "IF" a user has also taken the wise decision to ARCHIVE any snapshots to alternative media.

I can kill FD-ISR AND all it's directory snaps plus archives and still be back up and running again COMPLETELY INTACT in literally minutes.

I think you just don't want to admit the facts which are obvious. FD-ISR was specifically designed AGAINST any such occurances as data loss as but just one of it's many valuable and reliable features.

I like to see Rollback Rx prove the same dependability. It can't.

 

*Tony bangs head on wall*

Why do I bother? *sighs*

 

See Tony I tried to leave it alone

Easter maybe you haven't heard (I'm sure you have but just don't like to listen) Rollback 8 can also archive snapshots offline. You can also be up in running in minutes. How many times do I have to say that? Maybe the archive takes longer to restore from offline drive than say FDISR (Im not sure) but it can still be done.

@ Tony

Since obvioulsy some people don't like to listen. This is my last post here unless someone has a question worthy of an answer.

@ Original Poster

Sorry we went a little OT in your thread but in a way you are probably learning things about both programs. Again whichever one you choose you are making a wise decision. They are both good programs. So let us know when your up and running and what you think of whichever one you choose.

EDIT: @ Erik

Feel free to PM me with all those possibilities that your talking about since I'm not posting in this thread anymore. Also cc the thread if youd like.

Thanks,

Chris

 

I laugh now at this thread since the maker of RBX also owns FD-ISR!

Now all these competitions sound like do i hate this company or like it because one of their products i like and one i hate lol.

Oh well now Horizon DataSys makes money both ways .

Also is their any price difference between Horizon DataSys and Raxco?

 

I think they are the same prices.

Thanks,

Chris

 

FD-ISR remains the Superior of these two no matter what straws are grabbed at to support some lame brain theory that your data is safest with Rollback Rx.

When any program destroys or otherwises locks you away from accessing your data normally, that program is highly suspect to repeat that occurance again.

Rollback Rx still has bugs not yet addressed and AFAIK is a real & present danger to some systems as already evident by many others who have also suffered ill results from use of it.

Just because you say it works for you i don't believe you also haven't experienced some difficulty at one point or another because you give the dubious impression that you would likely just switch snapshots and not concern yourself over the loss of other snapshots afterwards that are deleted after that point.

Untill they fully examine and choose to re-evaluate Rollback Rx's issues to repair them, i warn against it's use if you're a user who values your data.

 

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FirstDefense-ISR performs full-system backups for the purpose of immediate system recovery. The concept was developed as a result of years of listening to IT professionals concerned about having to deal with non-recoverable Windows blue screens, service pack installs going awry, and critical files becoming corrupted. These occurrences render the system unbootable and data is inaccessible until the problem is repaired.

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