I now use ESET V184.108.40.206 (beta) A/V. It seems to be installed and working fine after 6 hours of my normal user interaction. Have completed two full system scans. Nada! Do notice that System Inspector is newer than the stand-alone I use also. At install, V5 popped a window grumbling about seeing F-Secure on the machine. Odd. I can not find any link to F-Secure. Do I need to drive myself crazy trudging into the registry? I accepted this warning and continued to activation. Some tweaks need to be done with the install script. I spent much time screwed on the final "Activation" window. It failed hard because the 'State/Province" block remained grayed out. I finally backed out and used the UName/PW window. Bingo! I am now a V5 (beta) test subject Any suggestions on where 'mysterious old' F-Secure keys may live would be appreciated. I do hate sw that does not uninstall completely! I have noticed the increase in 'Removal Tools' also. Very sad........... Thank you.