Anonymous Services - Can We Get A List Going And Feedback?

Discussion in 'privacy technology' started by DasFox, Nov 2, 2010.

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  1. happyyarou666

    happyyarou666 Registered Member

    ummmm... i know about the 4 files youve mentioned dasfox , what you havent seem to understood from my request would be that in order to be able to have those 4 files sent we need a starting point aka some recommended vpns to send those file request emails too -.-'
  2. DasFox

    DasFox Registered Member

    So you're asking what VPNs should you start asking?

    To be honest it doesn't really matter, cause the truth is, there's a hardly a person on this forum who has ever understood this and even with all the ones they tell you about, it doesn't mean they are doing what I'm saying they're suppose to be.

    But if you want a starting point I HIGHLY recommend sticking to all the VPNs in Sweden and asking anyone of them you can find in that country...


    And any others in Sweden....

    Also check these;


    P.S. Remember the objective here, it's not who you ask, it's just finding who has the 4 files and then take it from there! ;)
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2012
  3. happyyarou666

    happyyarou666 Registered Member

    finally !!! where making progress here , lols ;)

    dasfox you da man ! ill pm mullvad and perhaps prq and airvpn ,asap , ill see if i get presales those 4 files from perfect privacy since i hear good things from them , is ok but anything not swedish server related with them diminishes those non logging promises, and ivpn dont sound to much of a stunner with its keeping of logs and deleting em every 5 minutes as mentioned by casperface ;)
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2012
  4. DasFox

    DasFox Registered Member

    Now to keep things straight around here and I'm not picking on you LockBox, but I'm not just sharing ideas and opinions, because this is serious stuff and if we don't back it up with facts, then someone can end up in some serious dog doo doo... ;)

    Why I pick Sweden, because it is a FACT, that even though they are a member of the EU, they have more relaxed laws towards internet privacy and the Swedish have proven to be some of the biggest freedom/privacy fighters in the world!

    Next I only mention that you check the others, based on recommendations by other people is all...
  5. marktor

    marktor Registered Member

    Just a small note Ipredator may in the near future be moved off the Blacklist. They will be offering OpenVPN. From their blog:
    I also thought this statement shows their commitment to protecting users privacy:

  6. PaulyDefran

    PaulyDefran Registered Member

    Mullvad provides those in their download for OpenVPN, no need to ask for them.

  7. happyyarou666

    happyyarou666 Registered Member

    ummm...your abit late my friend ;) , ive already cleared that up in my own thread
  8. themostsecurebrain

    themostsecurebrain Registered Member

    Hi. I'm a long time reader of the forums but this is my first post. I just wanted to throw my 2cents in and say any whitelist should definitely include whether or not the VPN accepts anonymous payment as criteria. I know many VPNs don't accept prepaid credit cards.

    Also, what do ppl know about HotspotShield? The free version is really fast and reliable once you block the ads either through your hosts file or adblock plus or both. I had read that they stated they don't keep logs so there would be nothing to turn over if required by law.

    Also, is this thread only for software anonymizing solutions? I wanted to mention that you can get tmobile prepaid android phone and use it as a wireless hotspot $30 a month unlimited bandwidth. Last I checked you could buy with cash at the store and activate with fake info. I figure combining that with a VPN and you're much better off than using broadband or other internet connection that will be tied to a real persyn's identity.
  9. happyyarou666

    happyyarou666 Registered Member

    i suggest vpns with anonymous payment options such as ucash or paysafecard , maybe bitcoins ,thou those already arent counted as anonymous payment more like pseudo-anonymous
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2012
  10. marktor

    marktor Registered Member

    I said this before somewhere.. I still believe alot of the privacy people believe they get from anonymous payment to a VPN is really in fact a FALSE sense of added anonymity. Lets look at this example:

    Lets assume you want to sign up for Mullvad VPN. You send them cash in the mail and they add it to your account. Then you login on their VPN service via your home internet connection. Well there goes any anonymity you had with your "anonymous" payment. They now know the IP you are using to access their VPN. They now know your home IP address.

    So in order for an anonymous payment to be (somewhat) anonymous. You must do one of the following:

    NEVER use your home internet connection with the VPN always use a wifi hotpot somewhere.

    If you must use your home internet connection with the VPN then connect to the VPN through Tor. You could use something like torgate or JanusVM (Though JanusVM is not being updated)

    So basically if you are going to use your home internet connection without doing the 2 things above you can either believe you have paid "anonymously" or you can just simply know your VPN and trust them that they indeed do not keep customer information when you make a payment through whatever service you use. The bottom line with a VPN is you must have TRUST. Just my opinion.. I know this is bit off topic for this thread.
  11. themostsecurebrain

    themostsecurebrain Registered Member

    Exactly. Which is why I also suggested the anonymous hotspot option via prepaid tmobile android phone and $30 a month "unlimited" service (throttled at 5Gs). And for those who are in a metropcs service zone, they have truly unlimited data off android phones for $60, though I can't personally confirm that you can sign up anonymously. I believe they are just like Cricket Wireless and I know for a fact you can give them all fake creds. In fact I got locked out a cricket phone once that was setup with a fake name and when I took it into the store they asked if I was Cathy Bridges and I said no and they said ok, let's put your name on the account then. I then gave them another fake name. ;)

    Presto, and I had anonymous 3g internet from cricket unlimited for $50 a month, android smartphone. But, that was before the days of 4G, haha. If anyone knows if MetroPCS is the same way, please share.

    Which brings up another question, do phone carriers keep ip logs?? I always hear about different sms retention policies and logging of calls and wiretapping and all that jazz but I never hear about privacy policies as relate to phone data. I'm wondering if they are just the same as any other ISP in that regard or...I dunno, I don't yet understand the technology so I don't know if there's anything different there.
  12. mirimir

    mirimir Registered Member

    What about the cameras? ;) In cities during summer, you can sit nearby outside. Using a notebook in your car can attract unwanted attention. So do cantennas ;)

    I like that better. Pay for the VPN with cash by mail, or LR funded by cash by mail.
  13. CasperFace

    CasperFace Registered Member

    True, the VPN server "knows" your real IP address, but there's a big difference between just seeing it and actually logging it. As I've mentioned before, there's no good reason for an anonymity-focused VPN provider to be keeping logs of inbound connections (external IPs) unless they are doing so maliciously... which, of course, is where the trust factor comes in.

    Let's face it, there's always a calculated risk involved in putting one's trust in a 3rd party, but you can help put the odds in your favor by choosing a reputable provider... preferably one that's had a history of dealing with "issues" without rolling over on its customers (hence the whole point of this thread/topic). :)

    Going back to the issue of a VPN server seeing your real IP address, this only becomes a problem if an adversary is responding to a real-time incident (such as a DDOS attack). In that case, it IS possible for someone with physical access to the server to start sniffing traffic on both "ends" of the tunnel in order to identify the source. In that case, using a Wi-Fi hotspot, as you mentioned (as opposed to your home connection), would certainly be justified... but for just about everything else, it's probably overkill. ;)
  14. DasFox

    DasFox Registered Member

    Yes this is all true if they are logging, but if they aren't then no one knows any IP...

    So, it just gets down to trusting when they say they aren't logging, but of course, better to be safe than sorry and route the VPN through Tor, of course this has to be through TCP...

    Casper thanks for the other VPNs on the list you gave a little while back...

    Ipredator can come off the Blacklist when they learn to start replying to email inquiries, acting a bit more professional...
  15. CasperFace

    CasperFace Registered Member

    A few more no-log VPNs to add to the list:

    SecretsLine -
    • Site based in Ukraine
    • Servers in U.S., U.K., Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Israel, Italy, Malaysia, Netherlands, Russia, and Sweden (can only pick 1 server per order)
    • OpenVPN - single or double-hop
    SecureSystems (S-VPN) -
    • Site based in Ukraine
    • Servers in U.S., U.K., Canada, Estonia, Germany, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Poland, Russia, and Ukraine
    • OpenVPN - single, double, or quadrouple-hop
    V.I.P. VPN -
    • Site based in Switzerland
    • Servers in U.S., Germany, Latvia, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, and others.
    • OpenVPN - single or double-hop
  16. Fly

    Fly Registered Member

    Does anyone have any evidence that Sweden has 'relaxed' laws regarding data-retention and such ? I can't read Swedish.

    EU laws/directives and enforcement do apply ?
  17. EncryptedBytes

    EncryptedBytes Registered Member

    Perhaps a citizen of Sweden can clarify though as of right now the EU data retention law has not been implemented in Sweden. There is a current proposal for data retention to last one year (Original source) however I believe right now it is 6 months? source
  18. PaulyDefran

    PaulyDefran Registered Member

    I asked them about this before signing up. Going by memory, they told me it helps with anyone working backwards from them. I wish I saved the email, to get the details correct, but I didn't.

    Basically, my take was, all customers are just numbers (the account number) and nothing in the payment system on their end, or a search of MC/Visa databases for Mullvad...will reveal the customer.

    If you accept that they don't log (the trust thing mentioned above), then active monitoring on their end is the only thing that could point back to you. But your ISP can see that you are connecting anyway. So if you were the target, instead of Mullvad being the target, they know who your VPN provider is. The next step would be subpoenaing Mullvad...but if there are no logs, no customer data, no payment...they'd have to go active once again and look for a connection, no?

    I look at this way: It doesn't hurt to pay anon. As fun as it is to discuss, all I do on the VPN is read Wilders and bunch of other boring stuff that I just don't want BigISP snooping on. If I really needed to, I'd open a second account with another provider, and only use it from a Starbuck's parking lot in a stolen car while wearing a wig and glasses :D


    Edit: :D :D
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2012
  19. themostsecurebrain

    themostsecurebrain Registered Member

    You can't be anonymous in a rented car. :p
  20. marktor

    marktor Registered Member

    Secure Systems only disables logging if you pay an extra $3 a month. Personally I think if a VPN really has users privacy as a a priority they will have logging disabled for all users. Just my opinion though. Also dont like they do not have any info on their privacy policy their site.
  21. caspian

    caspian Registered Member

    Cryptohippie is triple, although I know you don't appreciate the limited bandwidth. I am very pleased with them though and they have great customer support. They accept cash too, last time I asked.
  22. firefox2008

    firefox2008 Registered Member

    Just sent $84 to Mullvad in Sweden. That is a years worth of service. I sent it in an envelope with the subscription number. I like it because it runs everything through the tunnel including torrents. I also like it because if the connection is dropped I will know it because I will not be connected at all. I would hate to think I was private when in fact I really wasn't.

    BTW: Privacy to me is being able to close the door when I go to the bathroom.
  23. happyyarou666

    happyyarou666 Registered Member

    i think we all like to close the door when we go to the bathroom lols xD

    p.s.: mullvad isnt too shabby either , good choice, dont ask me bout the speeds thou youd be disappointed ;)
  24. CasperFace

    CasperFace Registered Member

    Here's another one to add to the list:


    • Based in Singapore
    • No Logging (only stores payment/billing info)
    • OpenVPN w/1024 or 2048-bit keys & certs
    • Payment via Paypal or Liberty Reserve
    • Servers in US, UK, Germany, Netherlands, and Russia
    Incidentally, the owner happens to be friends/business associates with the guy who runs BolehVPN, which is regarded by many of us on Wilders as one of the more reputable providers. So if you like Boleh, this one might be worth checking out also.

  25. bolehvpn

    bolehvpn Registered Member

    Did they claim to know me? I have no affiliation to MamakVPN nor does my Co-Founder.
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