A good free backup scanner!

"Unfortunately av-test.org and VirusP are almost only testers that have enough wide virusbase to get all programs collapse."

All programs collapse on their tests because both test collections are filled with CRAP.

"Besides there is any harm if there are some nonviral objects in the test, because after all the failure after that is only systematical, that means it belongs all those av:s."

I'll try to make this simple. If a file is NOT a virus, it should NOT be detected as a virus. If it IS detected as a virus, the scanner has caused a false alarm. Nobody who knows anything about viruses takes any notice of VirusP's tests so he's not much of a problem, but av-test.org causes AV companies to add CRAP to their detection just to pass the CRAPPY tests they run. It used to be a clean game of AV vs VX. Now it's a dirty game of AV vs VX+Stupid Testers.

Listen to the Wizard guy. He makes good sense.

SSP

 

To Wizard and Stainless Steel Priest from Firefighter!

I think, it isn't my fault when your favourites are not among the very best in all those tests!

Forgive me but I have forgot to mention two testers, Rokop and Scheinsicherheit. I believe you think that they are unprofessional too, because your favourites are obviously not among the very best!

There are so at least 4 testers that have shown different results that you can't stand it now!

Only VirusBulletin has the only professional people in the whole world, that were able to make trusted tests.

You can believe what you want, I believe what I see among those all, only KAV based av:s are always among those winners! Why it is so? Is it because of that KAV's virusbase is very large, best unpacking engine ever, capability to detect what ever you want, capable to scan your whole PC?

Those clones are the best proof of that what is the real best in the market and why the others are so jealous about that!

"The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

Best Regards,
Firefighter!

 

No your fault is to continuesly post wrong conclusions out of various tests over here. I can fully understand why Rod always god that angry when he was discussing with you.

Yepp. Or did you ever have seen an av professional complaining about their tests in the last years?

LOL. Two weeks ago you did not even now how important an unpacking engine is...

wizard

 

No Fightfighter.
Long time ago (when I wasn’t involved in security) I was infected by a virus. My computer was so slow and it would freeze constantly. At that time I was trying many AntiVirus Products (did I said MANY). Nothing Helped. I still had the same problem. I wasn’t even sure if this was a virus related problem. I thought, something was wrong with my hardware.... Didn’t solve the problem at that time. Computer was off all the time.

Before this happened I had Norton version 5 which missed variants of dangerous CIH virus. My friend suggested AVP 3.0 . So I gave it a try. Indeed, AVP was able to clean more then 2,000 infected files by CIH virus. Since Norton AntiVirus failed, I ended up with AVP 3.0.133 (Kaspersky) as my primary AV scanner back in 1998.

Back to original topic. My computer cried once again. AVP 3.0 (Kaspersky) didn’t help. So I tried Dr.Web, RAV, Pc-Cillin, F-secure, McAfee,F-Prot and others. Nothing. I was assured this was not a virus related problem. I tried many AVs and yet my computer cried. O results, no help…

Didn’t know much about computers at that time I decided to leave it alone and live with slowness and freeze ups. (No, Wilders Board wasn’t up at that time).

Somehow I found out about NOD32 (not sure how, it could be fidonet) and I decided to tried it (tried many others, trying one more won’t hurt). As I clicked green cross button NOD32 immediately started scan memory. Woooo…It stopped and notified me about “unknown memory resident virus” Clean it and I was back again, kicking alive….

So you see FF there is more to it then just a test. There is a real user experience, where tests are worthless…




Technodrome

 

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Gr Greg Romania USA ICSA Labs -
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Ms Marek Sell Poland Marek Sell, Ltd. MkS_vir
Mt Miroslav Trnka Slovakia ESET Ltd NOD-ICE
Mx Michael Xie Canada/USA Fortinet, Inc. FortiGate
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Pb Pavel Baudis Czech Republic ALWIL Software Avast!
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Ra Ruben Arias Argentina RALP Integ Master
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Technodrome

 

"I think, it isn't my fault when your favourites are not among the very best in all those tests!"

I have no favourites. I have licences for NOD32, Dr.Web, and KAV. I was attempting to explain the fault in most AV tests. The information you post is *always* misleading because the tests you quote are *always* performed on collections with many junk files. I am not the first to tell you this. Why do you not believe it?

I seldom post, but I am always watching. It seems like you are determined to ignore the facts and promote your own versions of the truth. I understand why people are so frustrated with you. Your mind is closed.

There seems to be a conspiracy on security forums to hide the truth about av-test.org tests. Posts are censured and deleted, and an entire Topic containing posts about the time discrepancy in Andreas Marx's logs was deleted from DSLReports within the last hour.

I know the test was faulty for other reasons outside what you can read on the security forums, but Eset has no chance against the anti-NOD32 army. I am not saying you are part of that army, but your blind refusal to listen to reason from people who know of what they speak makes you its ally.

You sound like an intelligent man. Use your intelligence and stop being a sheep.

SSP

 

To Stainless Steel Priest from Firefighter!

Ok, let us stop this quarrelling and remain again to the main topic. If I remember right, the topic was "a good free backup scanner", but here we are again!


"The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

Best Regards,
Firefighter!

 

OK, I will give you advice for a good free backup scanner, ignoring av-test.org and VirusP rubbish.

There is only one. F-Prot for DOS is free and if you start your computer from W98 boot floppy it will recognize 32-bit viruses on NT, 2000, and XP FAT32. Forget free scanners if you use NTFS. None are worth the space they occupy.

SSP

 

To everyone from Firefighter!

That interesting trojan test chart on page 1 in this topic has been again updated!

http://members.lycos.co.uk/scheinsicherheit/scanner.htm

"The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

Best Regards,
Firefighter!

 

Hi Firefighter, Unfortunately I do not speak German & could find no English translation, although I did see a paragraph mentioning TDS3 on the Scanner section which I would like to know the gist of?
Maybe on of our German speaking mods or admins could help?
The google translation was incomprehensible

 

"Scheinsicherheit" is testing wether a scanner has an unpacking engine or not. TDS-3 has been placed in the category for scanners without such engine but mentioning the process memory scan as alternative option.

wizard

 

Thanks Wizard, Is the order shown of those with unpackers & those without the winning order? In which case Avast would probably meet the best free backup scanner criteria?

EDIT: Doh, Noticed that is alphabetical order - So what was the winning order please?

 

To Pilli from Firefighter!

Look at page 1 on this topic at Wilders Forum! That chart was updated!

Best Regards,
Firefighter!

 

Thanks Firefighter, AVG shows better than Avast at Trojans - I think for the few dollars it costs KAV Light would probably be the safest choice.