256AES Breakable? I have a hunch that it is.

Discussion in 'privacy technology' started by ComputerSaysNo, Sep 16, 2012.

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  1. Through my research of malware and botnets I've come across a really interesting pattern I thought I'd share my thoughts.

    Only 1 time have I seen a piece of malware and their payload or Comand and Control system/server over the last 2 years use 256AES. Blowfish sure, Twofish yes, RC4 yes, but only once have I seen 256AES used.

    Now Flame, Stuxnet, Duqu, Grauss all used RC4 to encrypt their payload I believe (At least Flame & Grauss did, Duqu & Stuxnet I'll re-check). Now if these "Military Malware" which are so complex are not using 256AES to hide it's telling me something.


    Now I may be on the wrong track, forgive me if I am. But I think 256AES is at least susceptible to unknown new side channel attacks or it's actually been totally broken.

    I'd like to hear what you think.
     
  2. chronomatic

    chronomatic Registered Member

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    RC4 is a stream cipher. AES is a block cipher. They are different animals. Stream ciphers are better suited for various tasks and generally have better performance. The reason they used RC4 could be as simple as that -- better performance.

    Gauss itself used MD5 to generate the RC4 key. MD5 is known publicly to be very weak, so I wouldn't put much stock into their selection of algorithms.
     
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  3. Hungry Man

    Hungry Man Registered Member

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    Different algorithms make sense at different times. Malware isn't usually encrypting hundreds of gigabytes of data to upload so AES doesn't make sense for it to use.
     
  4. Yeah I agree, but if 256AES is safe/best encyption method wouldn't you think they would all be using it to encrypt CC&C servers.
     
  5. EncryptedBytes

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    Again different animals, due to resources, attacking targets, payload method, all that would come into play. AES cannot be blanketed universally as it too has its limitations.
     
  6. Cutting_Edgetech

    Cutting_Edgetech Registered Member

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    256 bit AES is not likely to be broken. Look at Law Enforcement Agencies having to ask for the password of volumes in their investigations. If you use a strong password or encryption key then it is highly unlikely it will be broken anytime soon.
     
  7. Yeah I guess, I just found it interested that no-one is using 256AES. You would think it would be more widespread.
     
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