Browser Security

[AMD]

Hi, I have Java as an addon on in IE9 but I have learned that it is quite a good leak for viruses to get through to a PC.

Does this sound right and is it recommended to remove Java ?

Also, if running in a Sandbox, would I still need something like Adblock? At the moment I have IE9 and Google Chrome both with WOT and Avast Webrep and not sure if these are needed in Sandbox mode ?

Thanks

Andy

[Hungry Man]

If you don't need Java I'd remove it. If you do need Java I suggest you install EMET and force Java to use it.

[AMD]

I installed it not knowing if I needed it or not so I dont really know if its had use or not.

I think I will probably remove it and then see how long it will be before I get a prompt saying its needed

[Hungry Man]

That's a good idea.

[tomazyk]

Originally Posted by AMD

I installed it not knowing if I needed it or not so I dont really know if its had use or not.

I think I will probably remove it and then see how long it will be before I get a prompt saying its needed

I did the same and found out that I don't need it.

As for Adblock I would not remove it. Sandboxie will make your surfing safe, Adblock will remove adds and make your surfing much more clean and enjoyable.

[lotuseclat79]

Java SDK (software development kit) is not required unless you do Java program development on your Windows platform, however, since a majority of web pages are scripted using the facilities of JavaScript, you may need to install Java JRE for your browser to properly process web pages scripted with JavaScript.

Make sure Java is disabled in your browser preferences, but JavaScript is enabled.

-- Tom

[MikeBCda]

Huh?? I was under the understanding that there's no relation between Java RTE and javascript, js and applets are two totally different beasts.

[RJK3]

Originally Posted by lotuseclat79

Make sure Java is disabled in your browser preferences, but JavaScript is enabled.-- Tom

Disabling Java in IE doesn't actually disable it from running in IE (at least last time I tried it myself). This may sound counter-intuitive, but try disabling it yourself from within the browser and then running a page with a Java applet and you'll see what I mean.

Also, Java is different to Javascript.

[lotuseclat79]

Originally Posted by MikeBCda

Huh?? I was under the understanding that there's no relation between Java RTE and javascript, js and applets are two totally different beasts.

Hi MikeBCda,

I run a Live USB version of Ubuntu (Linux) and have my own setup which installs FF 3.6.28 (I know it is out-of-date, but newer versions can't yet handle my add-ons) in /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.28.

I download Java JRE and in my setup install the latest (now superceeded) jre1.7.0_03 in my home directory aka /home/ubuntu/jre1.7.0_03 directory.

Then in my Firefox profile in /home/ubuntu/.mozilla/plugins I make the following symbolic link to JRE as follows:

libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /home/ubuntu/jre1.7.0_03/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so

What you say is essentially correct, however, if you need the support (due to dependencies on web pages) you will have just what you need afaik.

-- Tom

[Hungry Man]

He's saying that Java and JavaScript are different. He's correct.

Java - JavaScript
Car - Carpet

Two completely separate things.

[Amit]

Originally Posted by AMD

Also, if running in a Sandbox, would I still need something like Adblock?

Thanks

Andy

Adblock is used for annoying advertisements rather than security concerns. Even if the browser is running under a sandbox Adblock would still be needed as it makes your browsing experience more smooth and convenient.

Originally Posted by Iron Man

Adblock is used for annoying advertisements rather than security concerns. Even if the browser is running under a sandbox Adblock would still be needed as it makes your browsing experience more smooth and convenient.

Adblock can add to your security because it will block benign as well as malicious ads. But it's just one part of a multi-layered approach.

[Amit]

Originally Posted by BrandiCandi

Adblock can add to your security because it will block benign as well as malicious ads. But it's just one part of a multi-layered approach.

The malware that can creep in through those malicious ads can easily be blocked by any multi-layered security setup. And anyway I personally find mostly ads like shopping discounts, earning money online, one minute av scans, registry scan defrag in sites like Cnet's download.com and this and that.
I've got enough security in place to prevent any 'malicious ads' if I can find any. I need AdBlock Plus for those non malicious but greatly annoying ads.

Originally Posted by Iron Man

The malware that can creep in through those malicious ads can easily be blocked by any multi-layered security setup. And anyway I personally find mostly ads like shopping discounts, earning money online, one minute av scans, registry scan defrag in sites like Cnet's download.com and this and that.
I've got enough security in place to prevent any 'malicious ads' if I can find any. I need AdBlock Plus for those non malicious but greatly annoying ads.

Oh yeah, totally agree. I hate the ads and am happy to block them to make browsing more pleasant for myself. I'm never personally going to click on any ad regardless of whether I block it or not so I suppose it's moot. I was simply pointing out that malicious ads have been known to exist, so blocking them can also increase security. I don't think they're as prevalent now as they were several years ago. It was kind of scary because legitimate sites have been known to host malicious ads - most sites don't vet their ads except to make sure the advertisers are paying the bills.

[Amit]

Originally Posted by BrandiCandi

Oh yeah, totally agree. I hate the ads and am happy to block them to make browsing more pleasant for myself. I'm never personally going to click on any ad regardless of whether I block it or not so I suppose it's moot. I was simply pointing out that malicious ads have been known to exist, so blocking them can also increase security. I don't think they're as prevalent now as they were several years ago. It was kind of scary because legitimate sites have been known to host malicious ads - most sites don't vet their ads except to make sure the advertisers are paying the bills.

I couldn't agree more. You see Brandi it's just that I've never come across a malicious ad and have always considered AdBlock Plus add-on or AdMuncher like software as ways to get rid of the annoying ads and not related to anything malicious.

[m00nbl00d]

Originally Posted by RJK3

Disabling Java in IE doesn't actually disable it from running in IE (at least last time I tried it myself). This may sound counter-intuitive, but try disabling it yourself from within the browser and then running a page with a Java applet and you'll see what I mean.

Also, Java is different to Javascript.

That's true. There's some old thread about it, actually. And, back then I found out that if one disable Java in Group Policy Editor, then it gets disabled. So, that's one approach for those needing Java from time to time. A bit crazy, but...