Diskeeper® 12 Released

[ellison64]

Im not really bothered about the gui,in fact its simplicty is a nice change from some others that I use .I dont mind about auto defrag either ,although i couldnt see how to get the icon to show when it was performing an auto defrag.Perfectdisk is also like this(that i can see anyhow?) and doesnt show a try icon when auto defragging.That bugs me.Its nice to see the SMART feature actually detects my common hitachi drive whereas PD doesnt ,and PD support wont be adding it in current build .But mostly I agree with xxJackxx......the pricing is ridiculous and the pro features are just about standard and imo should actually be part of the home version.I definitly wont be purchasing at those prices.

[berryracer]

In PerfectDisk, I always disable Optiwrite and Stealth AutoPilot for all drivers. I just run PerfectDisk once a week manually

[AlexKlein]

Originally Posted by moontan

because i don't want something that runs all the time, even if it runs only at idle times.
i don't want a program that installs a whole bunch of services, drivers and whatnot.
i'm sure i'm not the only one.

Diskeeper installs with a very small footprint and only uses idle resources - zero overhead.

Originally Posted by moontan

nothing.
mine is not even set on a schedule.
i just run it like i feel just so.

in my case, i think once a month is enough.
or until my fragmentation level reach 10% or so.
whichever comes first.lol

How many hours do you use your computer daily and what are the primary applications you run?

[AlexKlein]

Originally Posted by Nick Rhodes

Give me some real measurements of the increase in load/save times of real world applications due to not defragging for a day caused by this fragmentation.

My benchmarks show you need to accumulate atleast a months worth of daily office usage of fragmentation to generate benchmarks that show a performance loss above statistical variation of multiple runs of before/after benchmarks.

I would if it can be shown there is measurable benefit. In certain cases this could be true, e.g. on a machine doing heavy P2P downloading or used for video editting, but for the average user, whose usage pattern is similar to the one I mentioned above no.

Take a look at the following link - http://downloads.condusiv.com/pdf/Wi...ood_Enough.pdf

I know this document was written by the company, but it's based on real facts and measurements as you requested.

-Alex

[NGRhodes]

Originally Posted by AlexKlein

Take a look at the following link - http://downloads.condusiv.com/pdf/Wi...ood_Enough.pdf

I know this document was written by the company, but it's based on real facts and measurements as you requested.

-Alex

No it does not, did you even read it ?

I've read it before and does contain anything to show performance increase of common desktop activities from defragging over specified timer periods.

[AlexKlein]

Nick,

Access to many new types of reports are available with Diskeeper 12. The best way to see how it improves performance via real numbers is to install it for yourself.

The "Read and Write Access Time Improvement" and "I/O Accesses Saved" and some examples of reports that show you improvements.

I can provide you with information to performance independent testing as well.

The bottom line is this: who wants to spend time with manual defrag jobs? Why would you want to monitor your fragmentation levels and defrag manually when you see necessary?

Think of your car. What if your car monitored your oil levels on it's own and added or "changed" the oil for you on an ongoing basis - consistently keeping your car running at top performance - without tying down resources?

Alex
Condusiv Technologies (Formerly Diskeeper Corp)

[Victek123]

Originally Posted by AlexKlein

Take a look at the following link - http://downloads.condusiv.com/pdf/Wi...ood_Enough.pdf

I know this document was written by the company, but it's based on real facts and measurements as you requested.

-Alex

It's fair to say that Diskeeper does a much better job than Windows Defrag (well, in my opinion), however how does the automated process compare with manually running Diskeeper, or Perfectdisk, or other defraggers that position files optimally on the disk and also support boot-time defrag? In other words how much difference does the automation make? I take your point about the benefit of not having to think about it (I liked the auto-oil-changing car analogy ), but disk maintenance on a workstation is really not a big deal.

[NGRhodes]

Originally Posted by AlexKlein

Nick,

Access to many new types of reports are available with Diskeeper 12. The best way to see how it improves performance via real numbers is to install it for yourself.

The "Read and Write Access Time Improvement" and "I/O Accesses Saved" and some examples of reports that show you improvements.

I can provide you with information to performance independent testing as well.

Rather than abstract benchmarks such as disk access times - can you tell me how many seconds or minutes a day I will save editing my word docs, building my visual studio projects and other real world tasks from switching from the built in defrag of Win7 to Diskeeper 12 ?

Originally Posted by AlexKlein

The bottom line is this: who wants to spend time with manual defrag jobs? Why would you want to monitor your fragmentation levels and defrag manually when you see necessary?

Think of your car. What if your car monitored your oil levels on it's own and added or "changed" the oil for you on an ongoing basis - consistently keeping your car running at top performance - without tying down resources?

Alex
Condusiv Technologies (Formerly Diskeeper Corp)

If the oil offers sufficient protection between services, there is no benefit to changing the oil on an ongoing basis.

Why pay extra to install this system (akin to Diskeeper) when you get a lifetime of free servicing (akin to built in defrag of Windows) ?

Cheers, Nick.

[Triple Helix]

Diskeeper 12 has an update!

Diskeeper 12 16.0.1012 Change Log

- Professional version will install on Windows Home Server
- Fix to possible crash with more than 17 physical hard disks

TH

[Cutting_Edgetech]

I tried downloading a trial version, but I never did receive the download link after filling out all the required info. I contacted support also, but never received any reply. Still no link

[Keatah]

In all but the most demanding tasks and disk intensive operations, the average user isn't going to see much change, if any, between a fragmented disk and non-fragmented disk. Loading word docs and emails will take fractions of a second, as always, regardless if you're working with a fragmented or non-fragmented disk.

Understand that newer OS'es and hardware have multiple layers of buffers and caches, and high speed interfaces.. Which all work together to bury the latency and smooth out variances in access times.

The amount of work that a defragger puts into pushing files around vs. the amount of performance gain; well, heh.. 25 minutes of defrag time = 1.3 seconds user-realized time. And that 1.3 seconds is spread out among a complete workday.

In the old Norton Utilities DOS days, defragging offered real perceptable gains. Today, you measure the gains in fractions of a second and need benchmarks to do so. Go ahead see for yourself! Sit there with a stopwatch and push some big files around!

And when SSD's become real consumer products, true black box storage devices, hopefully all this "defrag" stuff will become yesterday's hot topic.

[AlexKlein]

Originally Posted by Cutting_Edgetech

I tried downloading a trial version, but I never did receive the download link after filling out all the required info. I contacted support also, but never received any reply. Still no link

I will message you directly regarding this :-)

-Alex

[AlexKlein]

Originally Posted by Nick Rhodes

Rather than abstract benchmarks such as disk access times - can you tell me how many seconds or minutes a day I will save editing my word docs, building my visual studio projects and other real world tasks from switching from the built in defrag of Win7 to Diskeeper 12 ?



If the oil offers sufficient protection between services, there is no benefit to changing the oil on an ongoing basis.

Why pay extra to install this system (akin to Diskeeper) when you get a lifetime of free servicing (akin to built in defrag of Windows) ?

Cheers, Nick.

Nick,

The impact of fragmentation and performance gains with Diskeeper isn't new information. Awhile back, an article appeared in Windows IT Pro magazine on exactly this subject - and contained some helpful numbers on time gains.

This article is all over the Internet - a copy of it's content is here http://www.condusiv.com/disk-defrag/...ntation-impact

As you can see, these numbers add up. I think a lot of folks don't realize how much performance can be improved because they've accepted their computer's current speed as acceptable - they've gotten used to it and feel like there's not much they can do.

Alex
Condusiv Technologies (Formerly Diskeeper Corp)

[ellison64]

While i use many defragmenters and open to trying more ,im still struggling with DK 12 at £41 for the pro version whereas PD 12.5 pro can be purchased for £24.Thats a huge difference ,and im struggling to find anything in DK12 that isnt in PD 12.5 at almost half the price .

[AlexKlein]

As a Condusiv employee that knows our software inside and out, I will simply say that you get what you pay for - Diskeeper is currently installed on 90% of the Fortune 500 companies with over 40 million licenses in the field.

We wrote the code for the Windows built-in defrag utility and create technology today that addresses the current issues affecting system performance.

Hope this helps!

Alex
Condusiv Technologies

[DVD+R]

Originally Posted by AlexKlein

As a Condusiv employee that knows our software inside and out, I will simply say that you get what you pay for - Diskeeper is currently installed on 90% of the Fortune 500 companies with over 40 million licenses in the field.

We wrote the code for the Windows built-in defrag utility and create technology today that addresses the current issues affecting system performance.

Hope this helps!

Alex
Condusiv Technologies

No not really, I doubt if anyone here really gives a toss about Fortune 500, or any other for that matter, so whats your point? It say zero about General Public consensus. Also No you didn't! I wrote the Windows Code personally.

[Victek123]

Originally Posted by AlexKlein

As a Condusiv employee that knows our software inside and out, I will simply say that you get what you pay for - Diskeeper is currently installed on 90% of the Fortune 500 companies with over 40 million licenses in the field.

We wrote the code for the Windows built-in defrag utility and create technology today that addresses the current issues affecting system performance.

Hope this helps!

Alex
Condusiv Technologies

How does saying that DK is used by Fortune 500 companies answer the question of why DK is 2X as expensive as PerfectDisk? If DK is better than PerfectDisk then demonstrate it in a direct, comparative test.

What does the fact that "we wrote the code for the Windows built-in defrag" imply? The built-in defrag is rudimentary, in fact debatably inadequate. There are a great number of free defrag utilities that are more sophisticated.

[Keatah]

Absolutely correct. I can and do care less about what Fortune 500 companies are running and how they are maintaining their systems.

I am concerned with *my* system and my client's systems. In my opinion I believe the SSD should be a black box storage device. All the hidden operations and magic should stay that way. I prefer to recommend SSD's that don't slow down over time and do correct garbage collection.

Any brand of SSD that doesn't meet a level of performance over the long haul should be removed from consideration, and usage! Not patched over with optimizers and utilities.

[Zyrtec]

Originally Posted by AlexKlein

As a Condusiv employee that knows our software inside and out, I will simply say that you get what you pay for - Diskeeper is currently installed on 90% of the Fortune 500 companies with over 40 million licenses in the field.

We wrote the code for the Windows built-in defrag utility and create technology today that addresses the current issues affecting system performance.

Hope this helps!

Alex
Condusiv Technologies

You are cleverly dodging the question of why is DK Pro 2012 priced at US$65 per single license whereas competitors such as PD are priced about half that amount.
Add on top of the high price the activation feature implemented several years ago, just to annoy legal users who reformat their computers several times a year and thus, have to reinstall DK.

I could care less if the top 100 Fortune 500 companies are "in love" with DK.
I do care about my computer at home and...my BUDGET. That's it.
US$65 per license is sultry for a software that only does defragmenting, nothing more when there are less priced solutions that do exactly the same and, even FREE ones.

What you should do is to prove with a thorough comparative test why DK is better than the competition and what it does that others can't do, to justify shedding US$65 per year for your software.


Carlos

[ellison64]

Originally Posted by AlexKlein

As a Condusiv employee that knows our software inside and out, I will simply say that you get what you pay for - Diskeeper is currently installed on 90% of the Fortune 500 companies with over 40 million licenses in the field.

We wrote the code for the Windows built-in defrag utility and create technology today that addresses the current issues affecting system performance.

Hope this helps!

Alex
Condusiv Technologies

I have no doubt that the software is very good and capable ,and i see that the pro version is geared towards buisnesses rather than the home market.That said im not sure how the home version is going to compete with the likes of PD when you can get its pro version for a few pounds more or even its home version for about the same price as DK but it includes free space consolidation,whereas DK home doesnt.Im not knocking the products integrity ,just trying to understand the pricing structure/features for the home market when the competition seems to offer more?.Im a software addict like many folks here,and this is one of the few softwares that i havent really bothered to test for any length of time ,because i know im not going to buy it ,basically because of the reasons i mentioned.The home version isnt as feature rich as the competition ,and the pro version is double the price of the competition without (that i can see) any edge over the others regarding features or mind blowing performance.

[Victek123]

Originally Posted by Zyrtec

You are cleverly dodging the question of why is DK Pro 2012 priced at US$65 per single license whereas competitors such as PD are priced about half that amount.

To be clear PerfectDisk Pro costs $35 (US) for a license that supports up to three PCs.

[Isso]

Hmm, sorry guys, but I believe there is not much point in asking the seller why is his price so high. If their marketing sets it at that level, and have decent sales to keep the company running then I guess the price is justified.
That said I'd definitely prefer most of the competitors over DK, even if DK was priced at the same level.

[xxJackxx]

Originally Posted by Isso

Hmm, sorry guys, but I believe there is not much point in asking the seller why is his price so high...

Maybe not, but it is a valid point as it is the sole reason I will never buy it. He may not be able to answer that question personally or do anything about it, but if the company he represents cares about potential customer feedback, this was it.

I would love to read (exhaustive) comparatives with the latest Raxco PerfectDisk Professional (which I bought a license). Thanks!

[PaulBB]

The same Fortune 500 companies with over 40 million licenses in the field that have Symantec Antivirus Corporate installed and their IT engineers struggle everyday to keep the networks running?

A friendly advice: it's 2012 and this is the FREE internet, people talk and share their opinions. Condusiv Technologies (Formerly Diskeeper Corp) should remember their ''gold days'' and start to change internally. Couple of years ago Diskeeper was used by a lot of people and why? Because apart Diskeeper and Raxco there was NOTHING. Now we have a lot of similar applications and some are freeware. I said 'gold days' because long time ago Diskeeper offered a freeware version too if I remember well.

To conclude: People love free stuff and NOT Fortune 500 companies. Try to change your tactics and Diskeeper will be a winner again. Build a free version, do some giveaways; a lot of Chinese crappy video editing software give their stuff for free, why not Condusiv Technologies?