Returnil Pro 2011 - "back to our roots"

[acr1965]

We heard you and went back to our roots to create a strict virtualization solution that will close the gap in your security...

http://blog.returnil.com/2010/10/hit...-proud-to.html

Here's the comparison chart-
http://www.returnilvirtualsystem.com/products#compare

Anyone used the 2011 free version yet?

[Scoobs72]

Yeh, and you have to buy a minimum 5 licenses.

They may have 'listened' but not to any home users.

[illicit]

Looks like 5 license minimum only applies to commercial license.

[Scoobs72]

Originally Posted by illicit

Looks like 5 license minimum only applies to commercial license.

Really? There is no indication of that on the buy page:

http://www.returnilvirtualsystem.com...virtual-system


Where do you see that?

[BoerenkoolMetWorst]

Originally Posted by Scoobs72

Where do you see that?

Check the comparison chart from the OP, it also gives links to buy the Pro home and Pro commercial versions.

[SIR****TMG]

Yes it says 5.

[Scoobs72]

The comparison chart is for Returnil System Safe, not for Returnil Pro 2011, the subject of this thread. There is a minimum of 5 seats for Returnil Pro 2011.

[icr]

Good to see they providing AV for free(I guess they didn't provide this feature in their previous version sorry if I am wrong ) But I still prefer the plain old version w/o the AV

[illicit]

Originally Posted by Scoobs72

Really? There is no indication of that on the buy page:

http://www.returnilvirtualsystem.com...virtual-system


Where do you see that?

I stand corrected.

[Coldmoon]

Hi All,
The new Returnil Virtual System Pro 2011 series has a 5 seat minimum and is designed as an alternative for our networking customers; especially those with current licensing for other solutions that are still current. There will not be a single seat consumer variant nor is there a freeware version planned.

For consumer level solutions, Returnil System Safe 2011 is still the applicable product with a new build released today with performance improvements and a new autosave feature for the File Manager (autosave 1 min - 24 hours as well as at account log-off and computer shutdown).

Mike

[Scoobs72]

Originally Posted by Coldmoon

For consumer level solutions, Returnil System Safe 2011 is still the applicable product

...which comes with it's own anti-virus (which many people don't want or need) and associated price . The gap in your product portfolio is a straight virtualisation solution for the home market. I appreciate that you've made a conscious business decision that this isn't something you want to offer, but it's frustrating for home users when you have the product we want, but you're just not prepared to sell it to us.

[twl845]

Originally Posted by Scoobs72

...which comes with it's own anti-virus (which many people don't want or need) and associated price . The gap in your product portfolio is a straight virtualisation solution for the home market. I appreciate that you've made a conscious business decision that this isn't something you want to offer, but it's frustrating for home users when you have the product we want, but you're just not prepared to sell it to us.

x2 I want the simple version I had in 2008. No AV no AS, just virtualization. This is what drove me to Shadow Defender. I am happy with my AV and AS apps.

[CloneRanger]

We heard you and went back to our roots to create a strict virtualization solution

Originally Posted by twl845

I want the simple version I had in 2008. No AV no AS, just virtualization. This is what drove me to Shadow Defender. I am happy with my AV and AS apps.

Ditto

[subset]

Originally Posted by twl845

I want the simple version I had in 2008. No AV no AS, just virtualization.

This is exactly what I read all the time.
When I translated RVS 2008 to German, there were a lot of happy users.
Now everyone dislikes Returnil because of the AV. Sometimes I think I translate this program only for myself, no one wants to use it.
And now they have something to offer, but Returnil goes business.
Bye bye end-users.

Cheers

[philby]

...a straight virtualisation solution for the home market...it's frustrating for home users when you have the product we want, but you're just not prepared to sell it to us.

Absolutely!

I've abandoned Returnil and reverted to Sandboxie and laborious image-reinstatements since the move away from straightforward virtualisation + a simple, problem-free AE.

The AV component in combination with the rather forgetful AE element was causing too many annoyances, even when off or with exclusions set.

Shame.

philby

[culla]

+1 still using 2008 here glad i kept the installsetup

[Boyfriend]

Returnil AV/Cloud/Activation bugs drove me to Wondershare Time Freeze. I do not like online activation as n each OS reinstallation, you have to contact support for key reset. WTF is working great and offers me another great option at each restart.
Returnil will be more interested in commercial software ($$) than free builds.

[pegr]

Originally Posted by Coldmoon

a new autosave feature for the File Manager (autosave 1 min - 24 hours as well as at account log-off and computer shutdown)

Wouldn't the approach of file and folder exclusions as implemented in RVS Lite 2011 have been simpler? I prefer the comfort of knowing that as soon as I save changes within an application the changes get written to the real system without waiting for an autosave to kick in.

What if the system hangs or crashes before the autosave gets a chance to save data? I know the autosave can be set to run every minute but why have another background task firing every minute when file and folder exclusions solves the problem in a simpler way? Also, file and folder exclusions remove the need for a virtual disk to save documents for those users who only have a single disk partition.

I'm disappointed because I thought that RVS System Safe 2011 would develop into a superset of RVS Lite 2011. As it is, Returnil seems determined to develop and maintain two entirely different versions of the program instead of merging the features into a single product set with a unified vision as to the way forwards. As the flagship product for home users, RVS System Safe 2011 should contain ALL of the features of RVS Lite 2011, and more besides, with the exception of Remote Management which belongs in an enterprise version. Lite should mean light, not different IMO.

The lack of file and folder exclusions, together with the lack of support for multi-partition virtualisation were key decision factors in causing me to switch from Returnil to Shadow Defender in the first place. And no, I don't want to consider using RVS Lite 2011 because it is clearly aimed at corporates, not home users, with its Remote Management feature and minimum 5 seats.

Along with others in this thread, I too think that RVS System Safe should be offered with the option of not having the antivirus at a slightly cheaper price for those who already have their own anti-malware solution in place and only want an added virtualisation layer.

[cm1971]

Originally Posted by culla

+1 still using 2008 here glad i kept the installsetup

I wish I had the 2008 setup. I was unable to find it. I am using the 2011 edition and disabled the virus scanner but still it would be nice to not have it at all.

[Pliskin]

-http://rapidshare.com/files/206567577/RVS_2008_free.exe-
Personal Edition (RVS_2008_free.exe) MD5 a3a79f3f7caf4bb9b20a727bc9a0f273

[Coldmoon]

Hi all,
Just a note to relieve stress and let you know changes are coming regarding a consumer level option (single seat paid version) for RVS Pro 2011. There are still some back-end and e-store changes to be made, so keep your eye out for the "official" announcement when this is complete.

Mike

[cm1971]

Originally Posted by Pliskin

-http://rapidshare.com/files/206567577/RVS_2008_free.exe-
Personal Edition (RVS_2008_free.exe) MD5 a3a79f3f7caf4bb9b20a727bc9a0f273

Thanks!

[Coldmoon]

Hi All,
RVS Pro 2011 is now available for single seat purchases:

http://www.returnilvirtualsystem.com...virtual-system

Thank you for your patience and support.

Mike

[Cutting_Edgetech]

Is it the same as Returnil Pro 2011 for business except without the remote management or does it contain the remote management?

[subset]

Just installed RVS Pro and it shows "Unregistered FREE version" and license expires in 2 years.

Is there really a Free version of RVS 2011 Pro or is this a little mishap?

Cheers