Windows 8 plans leaked

[MrBrian]

http://msftkitchen.com/2010/06/windo...-revealed.html

[culla]

looks like another microsoft money grabber i won't be buying now even integrating their shop in the os

i'm staying with xp pro until a new os comes out that can do something i want/need that xp can't [is there ? ]

its amazing how they throw out the bait and they're still catching fish

[funkydude]

Originally Posted by culla

looks like another microsoft money grabber i won't be buying now even integrating their shop in the os

No clue what you're smoking, but I guess you didn't actually bother reading the article.

A few highlights:

• Windows app store - a place for trusted and FREE apps
• Near instant boot up - Improving POST/etc
• Improved power efficiency - Sleep/Hybernate/etc
• System image "rollback" feature
• Cloud user accounts - keeping settings on various PCs
• Facial recognition - automated login when you're at the PC
• IE9

Looks damn awesome to me!

[firzen771]

Originally Posted by culla

looks like another microsoft money grabber i won't be buying now even integrating their shop in the os

i'm staying with xp pro until a new os comes out that can do something i want/need that xp can't [is there ? ]

well is it not the point of any company to gain income? and its not really a bad idea to have an appstore, nobody forces u to buy apps, and the people that do want easy access to programs wuld like it.

and once XP isnt supported by any developer anymore, im sure ull be moving on, and its probly not long anymore.

[funkydude]

The AppStore is also supposed to be a "Safe Haven" for current developers to post their software. I assume a place you can visit that you can download new software without the worry that it's going to eat your PC for breakfast and ask for your credit card in return

Keep in mind everyone should take this article with a grain of salt, it is VERY early stuff, but awesome in my opinion.

[Triple Helix]

More info here also: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06..._goals_leaked/

TH

[culla]

Originally Posted by firzen771

and once XP isnt supported by any developer anymore, im sure ull be moving on, and its probably not long anymore.

i won't as i can't justify the cost and as i already have the programs/hardware i want i don't need developers support

yes i read the whole article might be necessary for some but not for me i've got better things to spend my money on

[allizomeniz]

The thing about Microsoft is they keep pushing out stuff with a lot of bells and whistles but when it comes to something as fundamental as a defrag monitor you can actually see and monitor they can't seem to deliver. The phrase "too intelligent for their own good" comes to mind. They need to balance with a little common sense. Who the hell needs Google Desktop anyway. I would be more than happy to give them my money if they could deliver something useful that wasn't full of bugs and bloat. They also need make it possible to uninstall stuff you don't need or want like Internet Explorer, Media Player, Windows Mail, etc. They might think that's bad for business but so is ~ Snipped as per TOS ~ people off.

[pajenn]

Originally Posted by funkydude

No clue what you're smoking, but I guess you didn't actually bother reading the article.

A few highlights:

• Windows app store - a place for trusted and FREE apps
• Near instant boot up - Improving POST/etc
• Improved power efficiency - Sleep/Hybernate/etc
• System image "rollback" feature
• Cloud user accounts - keeping settings on various PCs
• Facial recognition - automated login when you're at the PC
• IE9

Looks damn awesome to me!

Looks crap to me. And here's what the article said about the "free" app store (emphasis added):

Though Microsoft has already attempted some semblance of this with Windows Marketplace, Windows 8 will introduce "Windows Store." Yes, it will be an application store which will allow you to purchase applications for Windows (and perhaps Microsoft mobile devices as well, such as Windows Phone, Zune HD, etc.).

-Instant boot up is good, but I don't believe it (or I believe you need to buy a new extra powerful computer with SSD, buttloads of RAM etc to get it).

-Power efficiency is good in theory, but in WinXP I always turn it off because it messes with various programs running in the background.

-I don't want MS Rollback - I want a solid, high-performance OS and will then install a third party rollback soft on it because MS System Restore sucks and their insta-version of it will therefore also suck.

-Not sold on integrated cloud user accounts; it could work or it could be a security risk. Not a big selling point for me ex-ante though.

-Facial recognition sounds cool, but why does it need to be part of the OS? (My current HP laptop came with an integrated fingerprint scanner, which seemed cool at first, but the software for it was bloatware that caused the system to drag ass plus it was buggy. I uninstalled it.)

-IE9 = not cool. They force their crappy bloated browser on users. I'd prefer a minimalist browser for Windows updates and bare essentials, and let the user download either IE9 or another browser.

[funkydude]

Originally Posted by pajenn

-I don't want MS Rollback - I want a solid, high-performance OS and will then install a third party rollback soft on it because MS System Restore sucks and their insta-version of it will therefore also suck.

Right. So Windows 7 sucks because Vista sucked. MSE sucks because OneCare sucked. It doesn't work like that my friend. Just because system restore was poorly implemented doesn't mean the rollback feature will be. Considering everything they've been doing RIGHT so far, I have high confidence in them that they will pull this one off.

Originally Posted by pajenn

-Not sold on integrated cloud user accounts; it could work or it could be a security risk. Not a big selling point for me ex-ante though.

You could say that about any and every cloud feature in existence. Need I remind you that Microsoft would obviously make this optional?

Originally Posted by pajenn

-IE9 = not cool. They force their crappy bloated browser on users. I'd prefer a minimalist browser for Windows updates and bare essentials, and let the user download either IE9 or another browser.

How do they force it? There is now a browser ballot, and you can even remove IE completely from newer OS's. Bundling a safer and securer browser (when we speak about IE8, IE9 anyway, let's disregard IE6) in the OS for people to use = win.

[firzen771]

Originally Posted by pajenn

-I don't want MS Rollback - I want a solid, high-performance OS and will then install a third party rollback soft on it because MS System Restore sucks and their insta-version of it will therefore also suck.

that logic is pretty flawed, u cant assume that because system restore doesnt work in the way u want, all their other products will fail because of that (PS. system restore isnt meant to be a rollback snapshot restore, so u cant say it sucks cuz it doesnt do what u want, its just not useful for u, u culd say). personally having the same people who are devloping my OS, develop my rollback restore feature as well is great considering how potentially hazardous rollback software can be, id trust the people who created the OS to be able to make maximum compatibility with it. and either way u cant judge until uve tried it.

Originally Posted by pajenn

-Facial recognition sounds cool, but why does it need to be part of the OS? (My current HP laptop came with an integrated fingerprint scanner, which seemed cool at first, but the software for it was bloatware that caused the system to drag ass plus it was buggy. I uninstalled it.)

why not be part of the OS? so instead of having it built in, ud rather have an person need to go out and find another piece of software that wuld accomplish the same thing as what the OS wuld be able to do on its own, let alone that separate software might not even be free meaning an extra expense on top of the OS uve already paid for.

and again ur coming to completely irrational conclusions because somehow HP's finger recognition software sucking brings u to the conclusion that MS's facial recognition software will therefore suck? huh? that really just does not make sense...

[pajenn]

Originally Posted by funkydude

Right. So Windows 7 sucks because Vista sucked. MSE sucks because OneCare sucked. It doesn't work like that my friend. Just because system restore was poorly implemented doesn't mean the rollback feature will be. Considering everything they've been doing RIGHT so far, I have high confidence in them that they will pull this one off.

<snip>

Originally Posted by firzen771

that logic is pretty flawed, u cant assume that because system restore doesnt work in the way u want, all their other products will fail ...

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and again ur coming to completely irrational conclusions because somehow HP's finger recognition software sucking brings u to the conclusion that MS's facial recognition software will therefore suck? huh? that really just does not make sense...

obviously MS could implement these new features with unbeatable finesse, I just offered examples as to why my expectations are low.

in any case, i don't consider facial recognition, internet browser or app store to be important OS features. the cloud thing and improved power use are flavors of the month. aiming for faster boot up and better system restore are no-brainers. basically, i don't see anything to get excited about or surprising.

now what would impress me is if MS leaked a memo saying they plan to make Windows 8 smaller, lighter and more efficient than its predecessor, and that they will cut down on the bells and whistles...

[firzen771]

Originally Posted by pajenn

now what would impress me is if MS leaked a memo saying they plan to make Windows 8 smaller, lighter and more efficient than its predecessor, and that they will cut down on the bells and whistles...

well everyones needs are different and some if not most people wuld find the extra features nothing but positive, and stripping the OS to be barebone wuld probably end up negatively for MS. and using Win7 myself, ill tell u, although they have implemented many features over XP, its hardly bloated feeling, its quite light and quite snappy, and im willing to say its the best MS OS ive used to date.

bloat to u culd be considered functionality to others.

[JRViejo]

Don't jump to conclusions about Windows 8 based on leaked slides supposedly from Microsoft, an industry analyst warned today.

Putting aside the question of whether the information that leaked Monday is actually official, it's dangerous to assume that the spelled-out features -- ranging from facial recognition for log-ons to support for slates -- will actually see the light of day, said Michael Cherry, an analyst with Directions on Microsoft, a firm that only tracks the Redmond, Wash. company's moves.

"The worst thing about this kind of thing is that we don't know where in the cycle this document was created," said Cherry. "At the beginning of the [development] cycle, you want to brainstorm and blue-sky, and gather up the most wide-ranging ideas you can. You want Windows to interface with can openers."

'Don't get excited' about Windows 8, says analyst by Gregg Keizer.

[DasFox]

Originally Posted by culla

looks like another microsoft money grabber i won't be buying now even integrating their shop in the os

i'm staying with xp pro until a new os comes out that can do something i want/need that xp can't [is there ? ]

its amazing how they throw out the bait and they're still catching fish

Well I don't know what your hardware specs are since you haven't shared them. I too was a die hard XP fan and I'm also a Tech so I know my stuff, but Win7 is a much better OS, but sure it needs a bit more ram is all and I mean that's all it needs.

If your hardware can handle it then you should be using it, it is a superior system, oh and when you think that it's taking more ram, well it actually has better memory management then XP so just remember that!

[jonyjoe81]

I always knew windows 7 was a "duck" just like vista, that's why windows 8 is already coming out. Microsoft is in full damage control knowing full well this is there final chance to get it right.
How big (bloated) is windows 8 going to be, is it going to be released in a bluray disc? maybe 2 bluray discs for the supreme version?
Microsoft needs to build the OS around the available hardware, not build the OS around the future hardware that might be available. What good is facial recognition if 99 percent of the available computers don't have it? it will just drain resources from the computer for no real benefit.

[firzen771]

Originally Posted by jonyjoe81

I always knew windows 7 was a "duck" just like vista, that's why windows 8 is already coming out. Microsoft is in full damage control knowing full well this is there final chance to get it right.
How big (bloated) is windows 8 going to be, is it going to be released in a bluray disc? maybe 2 bluray discs for the supreme version?
Microsoft needs to build the OS around the available hardware, not build the OS around the future hardware that might be available. What good is facial recognition if 99 percent of the available computers don't have it? it will just drain resources from the computer for no real benefit.

a "duck" huh? http://www.tgdaily.com/software-feat...vista-adoption

i dont think an adoption rate that is 234% higher than vista was is a "duck". so i dont think damage control is the reasoning here. and do u actually use windows 7 urself? i cant imagine ud think that if u were since ive yet to hear any SERIOUS complaints about Win7 other than perhaps a few personal dislikes about the functionality like the taskbar, nothing negative about the OS itself.

and LMAO, u think 99 percent of available computers dont have webcams? find me a modern day laptop that isnt sold with a webcam being there by default, u dont seem to understand the computer market all that well in today's world.

[funkydude]

Originally Posted by jonyjoe81

it will just drain resources from the computer for no real benefit.

I thought the computer providing resources was so it can be used? Not sit stale doing nothing?

[dw426]

Originally Posted by firzen771

a "duck" huh? http://www.tgdaily.com/software-feat...vista-adoption

i dont think an adoption rate that is 234% higher than vista was is a "duck". so i dont think damage control is the reasoning here. and do u actually use windows 7 urself? i cant imagine ud think that if u were since ive yet to hear any SERIOUS complaints about Win7 other than perhaps a few personal dislikes about the functionality like the taskbar, nothing negative about the OS itself.

and LMAO, u think 99 percent of available computers dont have webcams? find me a modern day laptop that isnt sold with a webcam being there by default, u dont seem to understand the computer market all that well in today's world.

I don't agree with a lot of the quoted post either, but I also don't agree with a little of yours. Laptops are not 99% of available computers, not in the U.S, nor any other part of the world. Also, I can find you quite a few laptops without a webcam installed, so let's try not to over-exaggerate your otherwise decent points.

Considering all the griping done on this forum alone when a security program takes up a "large" amount of resources, resource usage for such ridiculous and unneeded "features" like facial recognition (what, is Windows 8 being marketed to intelligence agencies?), is a very valid complaint. So a system has plenty of resources, does that necessarily mean we want them used up by a boatload of more features we may or may not use?

So, we don't use them, and turn them off. Fine, all good, but what about the likely possibility that these "features" just provide more doors to break into the system? Windows 7 a duck? Hardly. It may be the best example yet of what Microsoft can do when they actually try. I'd hate to see them lose focus yet again by stuffing their next offering with cute toys instead of useful functions.

[firzen771]

Originally Posted by dw426

I don't agree with a lot of the quoted post either, but I also don't agree with a little of yours. Laptops are not 99% of available computers, not in the U.S, nor any other part of the world. Also, I can find you quite a few laptops without a webcam installed, so let's try not to over-exaggerate your otherwise decent points.

wen did i say laptops made up 99% of available computers, cuz ive read thru everything i typed and i never said that, i gave laptops as an example since many people have modern laptops with webcams, so i cant believe that they only make up the 1% of users that have webcams that the original person i was replying to stated, CLEARLY more than 1% of computers have webcams, especially in the consumer market.

and i do believe facial recognition can belong to the OS because it protects ur user account from unauthorized access, personally i feel the convenience is worth it wer my computers just needs to see me to let me in, that also gets rid of the problems with forgetting passwords. and im sure the feature can be expanded on for other uses improving functionality of ur OS greatly. id rather have my OS come with whatever it can than have to install dozens of programs that come with their own security problems (as a response to ur statement that by including it with windows it culd be a hole of its own, the same applies for anything u install).

[dw426]

Originally Posted by firzen771

wen did i say laptops made up 99% of available computers, cuz ive read thru everything i typed and i never said that, i gave laptops as an example since many people have modern laptops with webcams, so i cant believe that they only make up the 1% of users that have webcams that the original person i was replying to stated, CLEARLY more than 1% of computers have webcams, especially in the consumer market.

Point taken, but that still leaves the false idea that 99% of available computers have webcams. Available implies computers that are sitting on a shelf, and 99% of them in fact do not come with webcams. The only ones that generally do are package deals that also come with a monitor and/or printer. However, we're getting off track, so back to Windows 8.

As to facial recognition built in to Windows, its implementation is likely to be so poor that it would easily be defeated. Not to mention it is opening a huge can of worms in regards to privacy concerns and law enforcement issues.

[firzen771]

Originally Posted by dw426

As to facial recognition built in to Windows, its implementation is likely to be so poor that it would easily be defeated. Not to mention it is opening a huge can of worms in regards to privacy concerns and law enforcement issues.

cant assume its gunna be garbage without seeing any detail of the feature whatsoever let alone never having used something that hasnt even been created yet... and i havent seen any legal issues with other facial recognition software, hell, alienware offers facial recognition with some of their laptops built in, havent heard of any issues for them.

[dw426]

Originally Posted by firzen771

cant assume its gunna be garbage without seeing any detail of the feature whatsoever let alone never having used something that hasnt even been created yet... and i havent seen any legal issues with other facial recognition software, hell, alienware offers facial recognition it with some of their laptops built in, havent heard of any issues for them.

We'll see what happens, and leave it at that.

[lodore]

Originally Posted by jonyjoe81

I always knew windows 7 was a "duck" just like vista, that's why windows 8 is already coming out. Microsoft is in full damage control knowing full well this is there final chance to get it right.
How big (bloated) is windows 8 going to be, is it going to be released in a bluray disc? maybe 2 bluray discs for the supreme version?
Microsoft needs to build the OS around the available hardware, not build the OS around the future hardware that might be available. What good is facial recognition if 99 percent of the available computers don't have it? it will just drain resources from the computer for no real benefit.

what you have typed is a load of rubbish.
once one version is out the next version is being developed. same thing happens with all operating systems. vista worked fine. did you even try vista? windows xp took until sp2 until it worked properly, vista sp1 and windows 7 no service pack. so how is vista a failure?