Avira 10 launched

[Pigula]

Hello. Could you tell me why Avira doesn't show any notification (and what to do with a file) when I test it with Eicar? It only shows detection in Guard in local protection.

[927]

Originally Posted by Pigula

Hello. Could you tell me why Avira doesn't show any notification (and what to do with a file) when I test it with Eicar? It only shows detection in Guard in local protection.

did you check: overview - events?
Action performed: Deny access (of the file)

[doktornotor]

Well, couple days later:

1/ the hidden object bug seems still unfixed (total lack of testing, it manifests itself on every computer I tried)
2/ the new roll-up message nonsense followed by system scan you have to look at until finished to actually allow you to choose an action on free is really another WTH... horrible design. (Beyond that, actually never got that far due to #1)

Sigh.

[Pigula]

927, you are right, but is there any possibility to have the chance to decide what to do with the file? Is "deny access" enough? Do I have to do anything else?

[927]

no you cant do anything else (and you dont have to). all the options like ignore, delete are gone in v10.

if you test v10 with real malware same thing happens (at least in the free version). if the scanner finds malware you get an option

[Pigula]

So if malware is detected by guard I would never know about it if I don't check the reports or events, am I right?

I found this in help file:

If viruses are detected by Guard, file access is denied and a desktop notification is displayed

Notification

The following information is displayed in the notification:

- Date and time of the detection.

- Path and name of the affected file

- Name of the malware

Where is this notification window?

[Terarus]

Can someone confirm whether I've got the correct settings for the free version of avira 10.

Scanner - scan all files, checked everything on the additional settings except "ignore offline files", in the archive section, everything is checked except "limit recursion depth", high heuristics

Guard - no archive, high heuristic, smart extensions

[927]

Originally Posted by Pigula

So if malware is detected by guard I would never know about it if I don't check the reports or events, am I right?

no, you get a roll-up saying a file was found, if i remember right the options are delete or details. dl and unpack this file you'll se
http://www.eicar.org/download/eicar_com.zip

[Pigula]

I switched off Avira to download this file. And as you said I tried to unpack the file. in this case the notification rolls-up.
Without switching off i couldn't download the file because it is detected by Avira but WITHOUT any notification. The same situation is when I test it with eicar.com (press the link), yes it is detected by Avira (log in events) but WITHOUT any notification. Something is really weird.

[927]

Originally Posted by Pigula

I switched off Avira to download this file. And as you said I tried to unpack the file. in this case the notification rolls-up.
Without switching off i couldn't download the file because it is detected by Avira but WITHOUT any notification. The same situation is when I test it with eicar.com (press the link), yes it is detected by Avira (log in events) but WITHOUT any notification. Something is really weird.

if i check scan archives i get a roll up at the same time as click on the link (zip file). the "problem" is that the roll-up is not on top (on my pc)

[Pigula]

What do you mean by that? I marked scan archives a long time ago.

[doktornotor]

Originally Posted by 927

no, you get a roll-up saying a file was found, if i remember right the options are delete or details. dl and unpack this file you'll se
http://www.eicar.org/download/eicar_com.zip

Well, there's no action choice, as I noted above, there's horrible "fast" system scan and only then it lets you actually do something. Well, not for me, b/c the system scan finds a bogus hidden object and suggests to use rescue CD, then you can either abort the scan or ignore it. If you abort the scan, it fires up again in a couple of seconds and yet another round of this stupidity begins.

[927]

Originally Posted by Pigula

What do you mean by that? I marked scan archives a long time ago.

mean?
sure but i didn't. this is what happens on my pc with your settings and avira works as it should

[Fly]

(Avira security suite)

I've noticed that an on-demand scan detects over 200,000 objects !

At first I thought I might be infected, but I restored an image and it still detects over 200,000 objects !

What's up with that ? I don't think I even have that may files !

[trjam]

Originally Posted by Osaban

trjam, your humour is welcome, after all we don't earn any money whether one is better than the other. As far as I'm concerned your predictions are similar to Nostradamus, inaccurate as for the time window. Yes, Avira doesn't detect as much as GData, but this isn't new, and they kept their second place yet again. Gdata is good but there are two problems: it is very heavy and has no free version.

Sorry Osaban but just wanted to show you what heavy doesnt look like.

[Osaban]

Originally Posted by trjam

Sorry Osaban but just wanted to show you what heavy doesnt look like.

Trjam, if GData is a keeper for you it is fine with me, I will never even test it as I 'm not interested in double engine systems, as a matter of fact I have reverted to using Avira on demand as I find any active guard too heavy and useless anyway.

Just a little note about this thread: I have made the mistake again to participate to a discussion about a new release wishing to give my first impressions, obviously this always ends up in an unpleasant way.

[Ibrad]

Guys this is a Avira 10 thread not a G-Data Thread.

[Brocke]

Originally Posted by Ibrad

Guys this is a Avira 10 thread not a G-Data Thread.

i see this alot the past week threads changing like non other.

[doktornotor]

Wow, this starts to be even worse... Now I received a "wonderful" advertising popup despite I have explicitely forbidden the *censored* avnotify.exe from running via SRP. So, it seems they've switched their absolutely obnoxious bombarding of users with adverts which insult intelligence of people with IQ even slightly above freeze point of water to somewhere else?! How about that they start focusing on fixing serious issues instead?

Well, getting fed up. Giving this time till the end of the month and unless the stuff such as non-working updater facility, the bogus hidden objects detection plus the horrible quick system scan before allowing people to do something about detected stuff are fixed, it's gonna be bye bye Avira after many years.


Edit: Wheee, and they detect the ~Link removed~ which serves the only purpose - to kill the splash/popup - as Trojan now. Way to go

[Brocke]

Edit: Wheee, and they detect the ~Link removed~ which serves the only purpose - to kill the splash/popup - as Trojan now. Way to go

figures, harmless.

[ronjor]

Please read the Avira Eula licensing agreement. The software is provided on their terms for your personal use.

[doktornotor]

Originally Posted by ronjor

Please read the Avira Eula licensing agreement. The software is provided on their terms for your personal use.

Yeah, I have read the EULA. My computer runs whatever I allow it to run. I do not "change, translate, reverse compile, decompile or disassamble", nor do I "reproduce, translate, change or create works derived" and I do not "remove copyright endorsements, serial numbers or other features which serve to identify the software". Denying the avnotify nag from running is perfectly legal, compliant with their EULA and whoever from Avira thinks something else is free to try their luck in court. There's not a single word about users letting Avira annoy them with stupid adverts being a mandatory condition to use the SW.

If they wish to prevent people from denying their advertising carpet bombing, they can either change their EULA to explicitely disallow users to prevent avnotify.exe from running, or find a saner advertising model for their business.

[Fly]

Originally Posted by doktornotor

Yeah, I have read the EULA. My computer runs whatever I allow it to run. I do not "change, translate, reverse compile, decompile or disassamble", nor do I "reproduce, translate, change or create works derived" and I do not "remove copyright endorsements, serial numbers or other features which serve to identify the software". Denying the avnotify nag from running is perfectly legal, compliant with their EULA and whoever from Avira thinks something else is free to try their luck in court. There's not a single word about users letting Avira annoy them with stupid adverts being a mandatory condition to use the SW.

If they wish to prevent people from denying their advertising carpet bombing, they can either change their EULA to explicitely disallow users to prevent avnotify.exe from running, or find a saner advertising model for their business.

Noone forces you to use Avira !

Obviously that popup is there for a reason. To encourage people to pay for the product. How bad is that ? Most AV vendors don't even offer a free version.

[doktornotor]

Originally Posted by Fly

Noone forces you to use Avira !

Obviously that popup is there for a reason. To encourage people to pay for the product. How bad is that ? Most AV vendors don't even offer a free version.

You see - this is particularly funny. There are loooong threads here about toolbars bundled and how they are bad. With that SW, there are extensive EULAs which in detail state lots of legalize about advertising being part of the SW. Soooo... here's the latest Avira Free EULA attached - there's not a single word about advertising being part of their SW.

So, what goes here? Avira is good guys, so they are allowed to, the bundled toolbar guys are baaaad mkay, hence unethical and not allowed? This is a matter of principle.

And yeah, most vendors may not offer a free version, there are quite a few who do though. And none of them resorts to such ridiculous advertising bombs like Avira.

[Fly]

Originally Posted by doktornotor

You see - this is particularly funny. There are loooong threads here about toolbars bundled and how they are bad. With that SW, there are extensive EULAs which in detail state lots of legalize about advertising being part of the SW. Soooo... here's the latest Avira Free EULA attached - there's not a single word about advertising being part of their SW.

So, what goes here? Avira is good guys, so they are allowed to, the bundled toolbar guys are baaaad mkay, hence unethical and not allowed? This is a matter of principle.

And yeah, most vendors may not offer a free version, there are quite a few who do though. And none of them resorts to such ridiculous advertising bombs like Avira.

There is no comparison.

The Avira popups 'advertise' Avira, right ?
They don't collect and send information like the toolbars.

But I figure you have made up your mind, so there is no point in discussing this any further.