Mission Accomplished! (FD-ISR & WINDOWS 7)

[boonie]

Originally Posted by Brambb

/edit:
Thanks again, that was it!

[DVD+R]

Tried to install FirstDefense-ISR on Windows 7 today and got the message

"FirstDefense requires that the Windows System volume is the boot volume"

then it says FirstDefense instwas interupted only 1 hard drive on the computer I'm trying to install on, sow can it not! be the boot volume

[TVH]

what version of windows 7 are you using?

[mrfargoreed]

Originally Posted by DVD+R

Tried to install FirstDefense-ISR on Windows 7 today and got the message

"FirstDefense requires that the Windows System volume is the boot volume"

then it says FirstDefense instwas interupted only 1 hard drive on the computer I'm trying to install on, sow can it not! be the boot volume

DVD+R, you have to delete the system partition before you install Windows 7 for FD-ISR to work. Please see my post #116 explaining how to do this. The partition is not essential unless you are using Bitlocker encryption. You will have problems on a clean install of Windows 7 if you do not delete the system partition. If the partition is deleted, FD-ISR installs perfectly .

[mata7]

Originally Posted by DVD+R

Tried to install FirstDefense-ISR on Windows 7 today and got the message

"FirstDefense requires that the Windows System volume is the boot volume"

then it says FirstDefense instwas interupted only 1 hard drive on the computer I'm trying to install on, sow can it not! be the boot volume

i got the same error and i don't have any system partition, before i install Win7 x64 Pro i create my partition whit Win Vista CD and vista cd don't create any system partition, i am using SSD Drive OCZ Vertex Drive

[SourMilk]

crofttk wrote:

After booting to Vista Recovery CD, select "Repair Computer" (exact wording?), then select command prompt option. At command prompt, simply issue the command "bootrec /fixboot". Then reboot and it should start up OK into Win7 where you can then install FD-ISR without getting the "unnknown type" message about the Boot Sector.

I had the unknown type error in Windows 7 evaluation copy when I tried to install FDISR. Thanks to your post crofttk, I am happily using my favorite software.

SourMilk out

[DVD+R]

Originally Posted by SourMilk

crofttk wrote:


I had the unknown type error in Windows 7 evaluation copy when I tried to install FDISR. Thanks to your post crofttk, I am happily using my favorite software.

SourMilk out

Unfortunately for me after windows vista recovery has found that windows 7 is installed , I cant even reach the command prompt after choosing repair my computer via the vista installation DVD, It says recovery can not be used for the installed volume.

creating a partition with the Vista DVD first so the extended partition isnt created doesnt work either "Wheres my big knife " So anyone any work arounds for this, otherwise I might just have to contend with Acronis

[mata7]

i keep getting the same stupid error "the boot sector for windows system volume is a unknow type" , i just gone give up is getting frustrate, i type "bootrec /fixboot" on the vista CD and nothing happen

[Ragzarok]

People,
You need to get rid of the 100MB partition first. Do a clean install during which you must get rid of the 100MB, then install 7, then fix the boot record, then install FD.

[mata7]

but i dont have any 100mb partition

[ambient_88]

Originally Posted by mata7

but i dont have any 100mb partition

Same here.

[Egelie]

Originally Posted by pandlouk

1. Only if you want to do an upgrade install.
-You can also install windows 7 on an empty snapshot (or on newly formated partition). Before installing FD-ISR insert your windows 7 dvd, run cmd as admin and type:
[dvddrive]:\boot\Bootsect.exe /NT60 [system_drive]:
[dvddrive]= the drive letter of your dvd
[system_drive]= the drive letter of your windows partition

Then install FD-ISR.

2. They will find the missing/updated drivers through windows update.

Panagiotis

panagiotis,

i am user of first defence for a couple of years now.
the last half year i use FirstDefense-ISR_3.31.233_Professional
on my computer i have some XPhome Sp3 installed. (32 bit)
to day the 28-10-2009 i installed windows 7 64 bit.
first empty boot etc etc. with first defence.
I used your suggestion above several times but don't succeeded.
I used also the option nt52 but the result is the same.
what do i wrong ?
installing of ISR told me in a popup that the sector of the volume is of a unknown type.
so what i am doing wrong ?
amd i read there comes some update .?
but rescue ISR , is that something else ?

Frits Egelie

[pandlouk]

Originally Posted by Egelie

panagiotis,

i am user of first defence for a couple of years now.
the last half year i use FirstDefense-ISR_3.31.233_Professional
on my computer i have some XPhome Sp3 installed. (32 bit)
to day the 28-10-2009 i installed windows 7 64 bit.
first empty boot etc etc. with first defence.
I used your suggestion above several times but don't succeeded.
I used also the option nt52 but the result is the same.
what do i wrong ?
installing of ISR told me in a popup that the sector of the volume is of a unknown type.
so what i am doing wrong ?
amd i read there comes some update .?
but rescue ISR , is that something else ?

Frits Egelie

You are doing nothing wrong. The bootsect.exe of the rc and rtm/gold editions of 7 are different from the beta I had tested (in the beta NT60 was the vista bootstrap and nt61 the 7 bootstrap). Now nt60 is the 7 bootstrap if used an 7 dvd and vistas if used a vista dvd.
Tomorrow, I'll attach in a zip the "Bootsect.exe" of vista both x86 and x64 versions; to solve this problem.

I hope that Todd will update the original version too.

Panagiotis

[Egelie]

I hope that Todd will update the original version too.

Panagiotis,

i am interested how that works, boottraps and so.
I have looked it the last log file and seen that after creating snapshot windows 7 the bootsectorversion = 51 but at last the client is disconnected.
( the bootsectorversion was always 51 in the log file)

I have tried also to use to boot with ISR-control but the service will not work.

i waiting your zipfile

thanks,

Frits

[dlorde]

I installed Windows 7 Professional, and there is no 100MB partition in DiskManager, but I still get "FirstDefense requires that the Windows System volume is the boot volume" when I try to install it...

[pandlouk]

Originally Posted by Egelie

I hope that Todd will update the original version too.

Panagiotis,

i am interested how that works, boottraps and so.
I have looked it the last log file and seen that after creating snapshot windows 7 the bootsectorversion = 51 but at last the client is disconnected.
( the bootsectorversion was always 51 in the log file)

Hi Frits,

some basic info is already included in the help file of FD-ISR.

Originally Posted by Egelie

I have tried also to use to boot with ISR-control but the service will not work.

i waiting your zipfile

thanks,

Frits

Here you are. just eliminate the.txt extention of the files. And unzip the content.
Bootsect.exe x86 (sp2 english version) hashes:
CRC32: B60C5BC3
MD5: 41F54FE5DCF0C43E9E64EDA86ECC2B14
SHA-1: 60BE2415AD8FF51507B893CEF6A88F31E9567D49
Bootsect.exe x64 (sp2 english version) hashes:
CRC32: 5CCE5676
MD5: 5450E1C9C5C3701148552722DF645D8C
SHA-1: 2ADACA3CD0109F2FD60D5C529D14BE5569A48137

Panagiotis

[pandlouk]

Originally Posted by dlorde

I installed Windows 7 Professional, and there is no 100MB partition in DiskManager, but I still get "FirstDefense requires that the Windows System volume is the boot volume" when I try to install it...

Read this thread re-install original FDISR

Panagiotis

[dlorde]

Originally Posted by pandlouk

Read this thread re-install original FDISR

Thanks pandlouk, however, in that thread you say:

when FD-ISR complaints about "the Windows system volume be the boot volume" it means that the OS is not installed in the active primary partition.

When I look on DiskManager, the OS is on Disk 0, drive C:, which is System, Boot, Page File, Active, Crash Dump, Primary Partition.

Pardon my ignorance about this stuff, but I can't see what there is to change... am I missing something?

[pandlouk]

Originally Posted by dlorde

Thanks pandlouk, however, in that thread you say:

When I look on DiskManager, the OS is on Disk 0, drive C:, which is System, Boot, Page File, Active, Crash Dump, Primary Partition.

Pardon my ignorance about this stuff, but I can't see what there is to change... am I missing something?

Hmmm, it seems that is active (Boot).

A wild guess... have you formatted it with the default ntfs settings, or have you changed the cluster size during the format? FD-ISR will refuse to install if you use for example 16kb cluster size during the format.

Panagioti

[Egelie]

Originally Posted by pandlouk

Bootsect.exe x64 (sp2 english version)
Panagiotis

hi Panagiotis,
in the manual oof ISR are no solutions how to handle this problems.
there is spoken about the NTLDR and bootmanager switch.
but that is automatic.

but first i have to solve the bootsector problem, what not succeeded.

see below:

Microsoft Windows [versie 6.1.7600]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. Alle rechten voorbehouden.

D:\>bootsect.exe /nt52 C:
Target volumes will be updated with NTLDR compatible bootcode.

Could not map drive partitions to the associated volume device objects:
Toegang geweigerd.

D:\>bootsect.exe /nt60 C:
Target volumes will be updated with BOOTMGR compatible bootcode.

Could not map drive partitions to the associated volume device objects:
Toegang geweigerd.

D:\>bootsect.exe /nt61 C:

bootsect {/help|/nt60|/nt52} {SYS|ALL|<DriveLetter>:} [/force] [/mbr]

Boot sector restoration tool

Bootsect.exe updates the master boot code for hard disk partitions in order to
switch between BOOTMGR and NTLDR. You can use this tool to restore the boot
sector on your computer.

Run "bootsect /help" for detailed usage instructions.

D:\>

installing ISR shows a message that the bootmaster volume is unknown.

Frits

[pandlouk]

Originally Posted by Egelie

hi Panagiotis,
in the manual oof ISR are no solutions how to handle this problems.
there is spoken about the NTLDR and bootmanager switch.
but that is automatic.

but first i have to solve the bootsector problem, what not succeeded.

Hi,
the bootstrap/bootsector of the partition active volume/partition has the information about the boot file that is used to start the boot manager (ntldr or bootmgr in our case).

Originally Posted by Egelie

see below:

Microsoft Windows [versie 6.1.7600]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. Alle rechten voorbehouden.

D:\>bootsect.exe /nt52 C:
Target volumes will be updated with NTLDR compatible bootcode.

Could not map drive partitions to the associated volume device objects:
Toegang geweigerd.

D:\>bootsect.exe /nt60 C:
Target volumes will be updated with BOOTMGR compatible bootcode.

Could not map drive partitions to the associated volume device objects:
Toegang geweigerd.

D:\>bootsect.exe /nt61 C:

bootsect {/help|/nt60|/nt52} {SYS|ALL|<DriveLetter>:} [/force] [/mbr]

Boot sector restoration tool

Bootsect.exe updates the master boot code for hard disk partitions in order to
switch between BOOTMGR and NTLDR. You can use this tool to restore the boot
sector on your computer.

Run "bootsect /help" for detailed usage instructions.

D:\>

installing ISR shows a message that the bootmaster volume is unknown.

Frits

Do not use /nt61 , microsoft has eliminated this command... and do not use /nt52 it will give you headaches with 7.

You did run the cmd prompt as admin right?
Also I hope that you have not changed the default cluster size during the format because FD-ISR refuses to install if you use 16,32,64kb clusters (I have not tested with with 8kb size).

Panagiotis

[Egelie]

Originally Posted by pandlouk

Hi,
the bootstrap/bootsector of the partition active volume/partition has the information about the boot file that is used to start the boot manager (ntldr or bootmgr in our case).

You did run the cmd prompt as admin right?
Also I hope that you have not changed the default cluster size during the format because FD-ISR refuses to install if you use 16,32,64kb clusters (I have not tested with with 8kb size).

Panagiotis

so far i know i am the administrator.
this computer i have organized as a test computer and using also for beta-testings Adobe prgrs.
I have bought it and formatted it last year on the normal way.
used with XPHOME Sp3 .
but this computer is capable for 64 bit and i installed the Windows 7 64 bit now.
that works fine.
installing of ISR is refused.
I am always working with TOTAL Commander and i can see the old $ISR maps.
but the service did not work now.
i have to install ISR on this windows 7 64 bit , so the service starts working.
It is strange that bootsect.exe /nt 60 won't work.
I have read i can also force it.
but that looks me dangerous.
Is it possible a problem with SATA drives ?
Perhaps i can look with some diskmanger in hex mode to the first bootsector and change that bit ??

frits

[pandlouk]

Originally Posted by Egelie

so far i know i am the administrator.
this computer i have organized as a test computer and using also for beta-testings Adobe prgrs.
I have bought it and formatted it last year on the normal way.
used with XPHOME Sp3 .
but this computer is capable for 64 bit and i installed the Windows 7 64 bit now.
that works fine.
installing of ISR is refused.
I am always working with TOTAL Commander and i can see the old $ISR maps.
but the service did not work now.
i have to install ISR on this windows 7 64 bit , so the service starts working.
It is strange that bootsect.exe /nt 60 won't work.
I have read i can also force it.
but that looks me dangerous.
Is it possible a problem with SATA drives ?
Perhaps i can look with some diskmanger in hex mode to the first bootsector and change that bit ??

frits

If you have UAC enabled you have to use the "run as admin". If not you are not running it with admin privilages.

If this still does not work try uninstalling Total commander, installing FD-ISR and reinstalling T.C. afterwards.

Panagiotis

[Egelie]

Originally Posted by pandlouk

If you have UAC enabled you have to use the "run as admin". If not you are not running it with admin privilages.

If this still does not work try uninstalling Total commander, installing FD-ISR and reinstalling T.C. afterwards.

Panagiotis

i did not know i had to enable UAC. i have to look what it is and understand it.
Total commander is for years now my filemanager and more.
I have also a U3 version and work with that version on win 7 now.
so it is not installed on the system.

I have looked in my other computer in the prgr Studio in wich is a diskeditor.
I look in the bootstrap code.
On wich offset is that particular bit ?

Frits

[Egelie]

Panagiotis,

i thinl you are right about the UAC.
I have set in to the lowest level and booted again.
After that the bootsect /nt 60 C: did work.
On this moment of writing i am installing ISR.

Frits

I am booting now to a old XP32 version
Frits

now i switched back and it succeeded.
Nice it works fine.
I think i go also installing windows 7 32 bit. I have the DVD.
Is that usefull for the Older XP versions you think ?
I will discover wich prgrs work or don't work on the Windows 7 vrersions i have.
The intention is to leave XP in the future.

But you are great in the solutions you gave me.
Thanks, thanks very much.

Frits Egelie from Holland ( the Netherlands)