NOD32 V3.0.566.0 - slows everything down?

[DayWatch]

I have been using NOD32 forever, but since I upgraded to the latest version, everything seems to take longer to start up (IE, Firefox, Thunderbird, Windows explorer, etc.), files take longer to copy, etc.

Anyone else having this issue? Any thoughts on how to resolve it?

Thanks

[nodyforever]

no changelog official still

The 566 version is support to fix just installation issues and not touch anything else

[scottls]

I am a software tech (MANY years!), and HAD a lightening fast XP computer- Prior to "upgrading (NOT!)" to "user friendly- dumb down (far fewer options!)" V3!-
In the mud/slowdown...- Web pages slow to load (or not at all!), downloads slower, most ALL pgms NOW have a delay opening/closing...

After reading this Post, and seeing that others were having the same problem- I decided to seek a solution!?
-WHAT's going on with Internet Security!?- BIG PROBLEMS... with Latest versions of- Spy Sweeper (old v5.3- my favorite), SpyWare Doctor, and now NOD32!
It seems to me that most ALL the problems started when they tried to make them "also" Vista compatible (bloatware!)- I feel that Software vendors need to consider making "separate" Vista/XP products!
~~~
My solution!- Downloaded V2.70.39 from N32 web site, uninstalled V3 (see notes below...!), reinstalled V2-
PRESTO!- FAST AGAIN!
~~~
Procedures to "properly" uninstall/reinstall, and keep your computer uncluttered... (you'd do well to print this out & follow my instructions !EXACTLY!)!
-!SLOW DOWN!, and wait for you HD light to stop blinking- after EVERY procedure...!
-- GOOD ONE! HD use flashing icon!- I always install a freeware utility called "Hard Disk Indicator 1.4" ( http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...ndicator.shtml )- I copy hdi.exe into- C:\Documents and settings\All Users\Startup Folder\Programs\Startup . You then get an “O” flashing icon that shows next to clock on taskbar, and makes monitoring HD activity VERY easy!

1. ONLY use the Windows Uninstaller!
NEVER use a 3d party uninstaller for ANY pgm !-
MANY pgms set a orderly uninstaller pgm...- to run at restart, and 3d party pre-deletes them (leaves a HUGE MESS...!- Reformat time!?)!

2. To "completely" uninstall N32 (or any resident... pgm), you MUST first "completely" stop it (you can't uninstall files..., that are in use!).
Note!- ALWAYS Wait one minute+..., for system to completely load...!-
a. Start, Run, Msconfig (type in box),
Selective Startup- uncheck,
Startup Folder & check your 3d party firewall (if?),
Services Folder- hide All MS Services- uncheck ALL N32/ESET Services, apply, close, restart now.
b. Uninstall N32 (SLOW DOWN, and wait for HD light...!), restart.
Start, Run, msconfig, Normal Startup, ..., Restart Now.
c. Go into Explorer/Program Files- Delete the entire ESET folder (don't EVER delete a folder from Recycle bin- Until AFTER a Restart!).
Check Explorer/Windows/Prefetch & delete the Prefetch file (I couldn't find one for N32 V3?),
Restart.

d. Now you need to delete leftovers...!
1. Run safe freeware Cleanup V4.5.2 (Review Options, first!!), wait 2min & restart.
2. Run current freeware version of CCleaner- FIRST click Options box/Cookies, & move cookies you want to save over...
Run Cleaner (review Options first!)...
Run Registry..., wait for 2min & restart (wait 2 min, after EVERY cleaner...!).
a. (Optional- I usually also then run other Reg Cleaners- Freeware Eusing Reg cleaner, Registry Mechanic 6, & Fix-It 6 Utilities (they all find/delete something!)).
b. NOW RESTART "TWICE"!

3. Wait 3min & Run chkdsk. RESTART "TWICE"!
4. Wait 3min+/Defrag, & RESTART "TWICE"!
e. Reinstall N32 V2..., and generally do "Blackspears" recommended settings... (Wilders Forum expert). Schedule scans, ...

FYI?- If you want more detailed info on my procedure, and why?- Read my post below.
ENJOY!
P.S. Yes!- it takes a few minutes more to do it "properly", but the results will be "perfect"!
LOTS faster than!- "quick & dirty"/ corrupt/ Reformat Time...!
P.S.S.- 5. Advanced Users!- Want to cleanup !MANY! more useless old files? It's a freeware utility set called ATF-cleaner/Cleanset.bat/CleanXP.bat (careful on edit...!)-
http://www.informationweek.com/windo...o=3&queryText=

[NodboN]

Originally Posted by scottls

I am a software tech (MANY years!)

Going forward, Sir . . . . . . can you offer a solution for NOD32 3.0.566.0 instead of subjecting us to all that grief in reverting back to version 2.70.39 ( . . . . . . . . . . via your holy method.)

[CtlAltDelete]

Originally Posted by NodboN

Going forward, Sir . . . . . . can you offer a solution for NOD32 3.0.566.0 instead of subjecting us to all that grief in reverting back to version 2.70.39 ( . . . . . . . . . . via your holy method.)

Well Said!

[tsherr]

Hi there, I appreciate your step by step, but I was wondering if I could ask some whys for some of the steps (inline)? (I'm also a computer tech for many years, but I'm always ready to learn something new.)

Originally Posted by scottls

-!SLOW DOWN!, and wait for you HD light to stop blinking- after EVERY procedure...!

Why? I can't see how waiting for the HD to stop reading/writing is going to make any difference - in fact, if you have read/write caching on, there may be delayed reads or writes even after the light stops flashing.

Originally Posted by scottls

2. To "completely" uninstall N32 (or any resident... pgm), you MUST first "completely" stop it (you can't uninstall files..., that are in use!).

The NOD32 uninstaller appears to stop all services before doing the uninstall, so why would it be necessary to manually shut it down before uninstalling? I would think you'd have to do this if there was something wrong with NOD32/Windows causing the installer to fail to stop the services, but not in a normal uninstall.

Originally Posted by scottls

Note!- ALWAYS Wait one minute+..., for system to completely load...!-

Why would it make any difference if all programs are completely loaded before running MSConfig? Won't it show all the startup apps regardless of whether or not they have completely loaded?

Originally Posted by scottls

b. Uninstall N32 (SLOW DOWN, and wait for HD light...!), restart.

Once again, unless there is something wrong with Windows cache clearing routine, Windows shouldn't allow the restart to occur until all the read/write caches are cleared, so I'm not sure why waiting for the HD light to stop would make a difference.

Originally Posted by scottls

c. Go into Explorer/Program Files- Delete the entire ESET folder (don't EVER delete a folder from Recycle bin- Until AFTER a Restart!).

I agree with deleting the ESET folder, that always seems wise for a clean delete, but why not delete the folder from the Recycle bin? I generally do a real delete of the folder (I don't move it to the Recycle bin) so it's not there anyway, but I can't see how this would have any effect on the clean uninstall.

Originally Posted by scottls

Check Explorer/Windows/Prefetch & delete the Prefetch file (I couldn't find one for N32 V3?),

Good tip. I'd never thought of that.

Originally Posted by scottls

d. Now you need to delete leftovers...!
1. Run safe freeware Cleanup V4.5.2 (Review Options, first!!), wait 2min & restart.
2. Run current freeware version of CCleaner- FIRST click Options box/Cookies, & move cookies you want to save over...
Run Cleaner (review Options first!)...
Run Registry..., wait for 2min & restart (wait 2 min, after EVERY cleaner...!).

Couldn't one just go into the registry manually and remove the Eset folder and other keys related to NOD32? Why does one have to wait two minutes after using each cleaner?

Originally Posted by scottls

b. NOW RESTART "TWICE"!

Why twice? That doesn't make any sense to me. If you are concerned about data being active in RAM, it would be better to shutdown and power off, pull the power plug and wait for the capacitors to bleed out (which could, in theory, take 24 hours) but restarting twice doesn't seem to have any value to me.

Originally Posted by scottls

3. Wait 3min & Run chkdsk. RESTART "TWICE"!

Why are you waiting 3 minutes? Do you mean, boot up and wait three minutes? And why run chkdsk? Are you just catching possible file corruption, or is the corruption being caused by the uninstall process? Wouldn't it be better to run chkdsk before starting the uninstall process?

Originally Posted by scottls

4. Wait 3min+/Defrag, & RESTART "TWICE"!

Once again, I'm not sure why the three minute plus wait time. And I'm not sure what defrag is going to do except to make a minimal speed increase on most systems.

Sorry to ask so many questions, but I'd like to understand the whys so I can apply the steps to other programs.

T

[Allen L.]

Well, it's obvious to me about you two "IT tech" guru's theories on uninstall methods.

The one with all the 'wait 3 minutes' and 'reboot 2 times' diatribe - may have taken one of the mail-in coupon based IT courses found in the back of magazines.

[tsherr]

Originally Posted by Allen L.

Well, it's obvious to me about you two "IT tech" guru's theories on uninstall methods.

The one with all the 'wait 3 minutes' and 'reboot 2 times' diatribe - may have taken one of the mail-in coupon based IT courses found in the back of magazines.

"You two 'IT tech' gurus?" - I'm not the one recommending multiple restarts or waits. I just want to hear the reason he has for recommending them. I don't think they makes sense, but I'm not so stupid as to think I know everything so I'm willing to hear the explanation.

T

Originally Posted by tsherr

"You two 'IT tech' gurus?" - I'm not the one recommending multiple restarts or waits. I just want to hear the reason he has for recommending them. I don't think they makes sense, but I'm not so stupid as to think I know everything so I'm willing to hear the explanation.

T

i dont think there is a reason. perhaps he has good personal experiences with rebooting two times or he restarts his pc faster than me starting firefox

[Allen L.]

Originally Posted by tsherr

"You two 'IT tech' gurus?" - I'm not the one recommending multiple restarts or waits. I just want to hear the reason he has for recommending them. I don't think they makes sense, but I'm not so stupid as to think I know everything so I'm willing to hear the explanation.

T

Did I make my 'rib' too difficult, possibly?...I wasn't criticizing your questions, tsherr, it you hadn't asked them, I would have. (You both declared you were 'computer techs') I don't think we should hold our breath for an answer from Mr. scottls.

[tsherr]

Originally Posted by Allen L.

Did I make my 'rib' too difficult, possibly?...I wasn't criticizing your questions, tsherr, it you hadn't asked them, I would have. (You both declared you were 'computer techs') I don't think we should hold our breath for an answer from Mr. scottls.

Heh heh. I thought you thought I was recommending the multiple reboots. Hopefully he'll come back and explain his reasoning. If not, then we can be pretty sure it's just superstition.

I would shorten the steps down to:
1)Uninstall NOD32 using Add/Remove Programs.
2)Reboot.
3)Reinstall.

If that doesn't work, THEN try:
1)Uninstall NOD32 using Add/Remove Programs.
2)Reboot.
3)Delete Eset Folder
4)Check the registry and remove ESET entries
5)Reboot
6)Reinstall.

Seems like a shorter way to the same result. Of course, I'm one of the people using 3.0 with no problems.

T

[Allen L.]

I have no problems with v.3 either after excluding jpeg, jpg, and gif's from being scanned under the Web Access Protection > Setup > Extensions.

I still trying to find *any* logical reason for some of the 'waiting' periods offered in the 'other uninstall post'!

[tsherr]

Originally Posted by Allen L.

I still trying to find *any* logical reason for some of the 'waiting' periods offered in the 'other uninstall post'!

Perhaps he charges by the hour?

T

[larryb52]

wasn't ESET just fix the issues that's the point here & no one would be talking about uninstalling. This program is a far cry from 2.7 & it seems from some of the testers that posted that issues carried over from testing & they put it out well knowing problems existed & took people's money. Thats not the way to do business...

[Allen L.]

Originally Posted by tsherr

Perhaps he charges by the hour?

T

Damn! I overlooked the obvious! Of course - confuse the hell out of the client with your detailed work receipt 'break down of labor charges'...he will leave the office thrilled by only being charged for 3 hours labor 'work' after all the 125 reboots at 3 minutes a pop! Why he got this done for half price!



To quote P.T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute"

[Ghostcloak]

Originally Posted by DayWatch

I have been using NOD32 forever, but since I upgraded to the latest version, everything seems to take longer to start up (IE, Firefox, Thunderbird, Windows explorer, etc.), files take longer to copy, etc.

Anyone else having this issue? Any thoughts on how to resolve it?

Thanks

Strange, I dont have any problem & I am quite content with version 3.0.566. Maybe there is some other conflict.

[Vettetech]

I get no issues with NOD32 3.0.................My pc doesnt slow down what so ever.

[windstrings]

Originally Posted by Vettetech

I get no issues with NOD32 3.0.................My pc doesnt slow down what so ever.

Same here.. its seems to work flawless so far.... I have an xp machine... I wonder if slower machines may have problems?

I appreciate the depth one can go to peek inside the program.

[scottls]

I'll try and answer a few questions-
- I have a pretty fast computer- DELL XPS400, XP SP2, 3.2ghz dual core, 4gig of Crucial memory, 10,000rpm WD Raptor HD (WOW! ).
- Lots of posts sounding like they think I “overkill…”, but none about “under kill”?- or a more complete/better/safer method! That should tell you something!
I ALWAYS pre-test pgms before installing them on client’s computers, and I’ve NEVER had pgm conflicts later on (knock on wood!)!
- As for my qualifications- BS in Computer Science, 28yrs as top Computer Security programmer/tech- for the PNW US Bureau of Reclamation (also taught Computer Security, and attended EVERY computer course the govt offered (37)). Home/business PC tech 15yrs.
- Computers only like black & white!- “Quick & Dirty” is gray (sooner or later- gray will bite you!)! GIGO!
- GOOD ONE! HD use flashing icon!- I always install a freeware utility called "Hard Disk Indicator 1.4" ( http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...ndicator.shtml )- I copy hdi.exe into- C:\Documents and settings\All Users\Startup Folder\Programs\Startup . You then get an “O” HD use flashing icon, that shows next to clock on taskbar, and makes monitoring HD activity VERY easy!
- Until I got the fairly noisy Raptor HD- I didn’t realize when applications… were “really” finished!- Just because the application says “Finished/Restart Now/…”, it’s not really completed until HD stops flashing!
As soon as you "quick" click Restart, it disables MANY active XP services!- Trying to let your application... complete in this severely limited environment (30sec max!), is “quick & dirty”!

1. I usually don't charge by the hour!- I "flat-rate/ under-charge” on projects, so the client isn't stop-watching me for "quick & dirty"! I do the same thorough job on my client’s computers, as I do my own (slower?- but “perfect”!)! I easily guarantee my work, and have NEVER had to come back & do it over (knock on wood!)!
100% of my clients are from referral!
2. chksdk “following” an uninstall/thorough cleanup...-
a. MANY pgms make changes to XP! By doing chkdsk "just prior" to defrag/reinstall, you are starting with a fresh clean XP!
b. If you chkdsk on the first restart following most any delete (Reg/file Cleaner...), it will just do a normal reboot. Proves that XP hasn’t “completely” finished…, until "after" 2nd restart (watch how much faster 2nd restart is!)!
3. Why defrag just prior to an install (startup/always running pgms only)?-
a. You can't defrag a file that is always in use!- Defragging just prior to install insures that all new pgm files are contiguous (in a tight row…)! Most ALL of my pgms open the instant I click them (faster restarts too!)!
b. Wait 3min before defrag?- I was being kind, as I usually wait 5min for everything to complete & release active files (watch your HD light!)!
c. I’ve trialed MANY defrag pgms- #1 is “Diskeeper 10 Pro Premier, with IFAAST”! It tested 20% faster than #2 PerfectDisk (bet that will set off another storm…!- LOL! Read my Amazon.com review!)
4. Waiting to restart after deleting anything!- If you don't, your system will soon become bloated with lost fragments (my sys size stays virtually the same... (No reformat in 2 years! Knock on wood!). Watch your HD light- It can flash (deleting files...), for up to 2 min, following ANY cleanup...! My registry has over 100k entries, and it takes XP awhile to finish deleting through it (i.e. how long do most Reg cleaners take on a scan!?)!
5. Completely stopping ALL services “prior” to uninstall!- MANY anti-malware/firewall products are designed NOT to be disabled by a simple uninstall (bad guys…!)!- MANY running modules are left intact! How many times have you read reviews about people having pgm problems, doing an uninstall- Problems, and then having to reformat!
Doing it “my way”, I no longer have to reformat (used to, and have since devised this foolproof procedure! Knock on wood!)!
6. Manually editing the registry is VERY DANGEROUS, and "often" bites you BADLY!- Let the safe/GOOD Reg Cleaners (my picks!- EasyCleaner, CCleaner, Eusing, Registry Mechanic "6", Fix-It Utilities "6") do it (all have reg backup too!)!
7. Advanced Users!- Want to cleanup !MANY! more useless old files? It's a freeware utility set called ATF-cleaner/Cleanset.bat/CleanXP.bat (careful on edit...!)-
http://www.informationweek.com/windo...o=3&queryText=

[mickhardy]

Lucky we have computer techs. Otherwise computers would be so confusing.

Nod32 V3.0 Works fine for me although I did have to change one default setting so my software firewall still works as expected.

[Joliet Jake]

I've added JPEG, JPG AND GIF to my exclusion list in Web Access Protection, Threatsense setup and web pages are opening very quickly again.

[Allen L.]

Well, after reading this last post by you, Mr.scottls, I will agree with all you say...(wondering why my eyes, brain, and other body parts ache however) And by the way, I do like your concise methods of explanations. Clear as a bell now to me. I have a raptor hard drive also...from now on, I will listen to the clicks more carefully.

Many thanks! No need to explain further, please. I'm going to rest a bit now.

[poutine]

Originally Posted by Joliet Jake

I've added JPEG, JPG AND GIF to my exclusion list in Web Access Protection, Threatsense setup and web pages are opening very quickly again.

you really shouldnt have to do all that stuff though, version 3's becoming a joke.

[Vettetech]

I cannot stress enough................I have no speed issues using NOD32 3.0.556.0 along with Online Armor.