No more FDISR as we know it? Im confused.

[sukarof]

Sorry if this topic is somewhere else on the forum, but I couldnt find it (I didnt want to hijack the other thread) Feel free to move or merge my post.
HDS says no one will sell FDISR anymore?

Existing First Defense Customers.

First Defense Workstation is being retired as a product and will no longer be available from any supplier worldwide.

With FDISR I mean the real FDISR, not the "fdisr" that HDS is gonna sell.
Did HDS buy Leapfrog? There are only one FDISR vendor (HDS) nowdays? Leapfrog will not update the original FDISR anymore? Are HDS calling the shots for FDISR development now?

If the above is true, then it is indeed a sad day, to see one of the most reliable and useful software ever made buried.
Sure Rollback is a nice idea in theory, but I guess it wont be as reliable until x versions ahead. The latest versions wont even install on my computer and the one that I paid for, version 7.x, works only a couple of months and then gets corrupted, atleast on a machine that requires ISR software that can take some "abuse" (testing software) Rollback simply can not do that.

The day the real FDISR no longer can keep up with windows I thank god for Shadow protect that has snapshot features, it will take 5 minutes longer to reboot, but at least I am sure that I do get what I paid for = reliability. Well, that is until the day Storagecraft is bought by some company who feels threatend

*edit*

I see that Bootback is FDISR too. But that just makes me even more confused..
How come HDS then says the real FDISR isnt gonna be sold by anyone?

[tradetime]

Hi sukarof, can understand your confusion as it would seem whilst these software designers / vendors are without doubt very clever people, I don't think any of them got past pre-school in communications skills. It does seem that HDS is calling all the shots on fdisr, it does seem that they are dis-mantling most of the functionallity that made it superior to their product.
As for bootback, if that is fdisr then I suspect that will disappear too, but who knows.

[farmerlee]

Yes, bootback was a rebranded fd-isr sold by software pursuits. I just checked their website and although you can download it, it appears its no longer available for purchase. It also used to be sold under the name peer-isr but it seems thats gone too. The only remaining version seems to be the one from horizondatasys which i just noticed has the freeze option removed for some reason so the fd-isr we know it is gone.

[tradetime]

Originally Posted by farmerlee

Yes, bootback was a rebranded fd-isr sold by software pursuits. I just checked their website and although you can download it, it appears its no longer available for purchase. It also used to be sold under the name peer-isr but it seems thats gone too.

In that case I think it is fair to assume, until proved otherwise, that HDS has purchased the rights to Leapfrog's product The Software formerly known as FD-ISR, aka BootBack, aka Peer-ISR and it is theirs to do with as they wish.

[farmerlee]

Originally Posted by tradetime

In that case I think it is fair to assume, until proved otherwise, that HDS has purchased the rights to Leapfrog's product The Software formerly known as FD-ISR, aka BootBack, aka Peer-ISR and it is theirs to do with as they wish.

I was just checking out the leapfrog website and it states they have a partnership with horizondatasys but i don't see anything about horizon having purchased all rights. However the fact that all the other clones have been taken off the market is definitely strong evidence for it. I'm just glad i got my copy of fd-isr from raxco before it all went downhill.

[tradetime]

I'm just glad i got my copy of fd-isr from raxco before it all went downhill.

Likewise

[Rilla927]

In the back of my mind when all this stuff started with HDS I knew something was up. It really sucks.

[silver0066]

I am not confused. This is typical of the type of behavior that I have experienced with Horizon Data Systems.

It is almost like management has sold their stock short and they are trying to drive the company bankrupt. Or, just plain stupidity?

[farmerlee]

I surmise that it has something to do with fd-isr being in direct competition with rollback.

[Peter2150]

You know as I think about all this, there may be a lot going on here we don't know about.

I have a theory, and it is just that. Maybe, just maybe, Leapfrog sold the rights to FDISR on the condition that they do exactly what they have done.

My reason for this guess is

1. Leapfrog is hiring.
2. Check out these links on the website.
http://www.leapfrogsoftware.com/product_info/isr/
http://www.leapfrogsoftware.com/prod...o/copy_engine/
http://www.leapfrogsoftware.com/product_info/freeze/

Could it be there is a new an advanced FDISR afoot. Only time will tell.

[aigle]

I remember a post here by LeapFrog that all ISR technologies9 bootback etc) are diecontinued except FDISR from HDS. I can,t find that post later, may be deleted by them.

Seems HDS purchased all rights of FDISR. I wonder if we might see the forums going too.

[ErikAlbert]

HDS has nothing, that interests me, it's always been this way. After killing FDISR, I moved HDS to my blacklist.

[aigle]

Originally Posted by aigle

I remember a post here by LeapFrog that all ISR technologies9 bootback etc) are diecontinued except FDISR from HDS. I can,t find that post later, may be deleted by them.

Seems HDS purchased all rights of FDISR. I wonder if we might see the forums going too.

BTW idd anyone else read a similar official announcement by LeapFrog people?

[aigle]

Originally Posted by Peter2150

You know as I think about all this, there may be a lot going on here we don't know about.

I have a theory, and it is just that. Maybe, just maybe, Leapfrog sold the rights to FDISR on the condition that they do exactly what they have done.

My reason for this guess is

1. Leapfrog is hiring.
2. Check out these links on the website.
http://www.leapfrogsoftware.com/product_info/isr/
http://www.leapfrogsoftware.com/prod...o/copy_engine/
http://www.leapfrogsoftware.com/product_info/freeze/

Could it be there is a new an advanced FDISR afoot. Only time will tell.

Seems some new things on the way!

[Peter2150]

You know we've all been blasting HDS. But what we haven't considered is IF leapfrog is doing an updated type program, part of the deal with HDS, might have been, that they do exactly what they are doing, and remain silent about it. Hmm

[tradetime]

Originally Posted by Peter2150

You know we've all been blasting HDS. But what we haven't considered is IF leapfrog is doing an updated type program, part of the deal with HDS, might have been, that they do exactly what they are doing, and remain silent about it. Hmm

Well, the way I look at it if you play a deceptive game then you have to expect to take some punches, and they sure been getting punched around here lately

[TonyW]

Originally Posted by aigle

I remember a post here by LeapFrog that all ISR technologies9 bootback etc) are diecontinued except FDISR from HDS. I can,t find that post later, may be deleted by them.

This is the thread you mean.

[tarsins]

Having spent weeks evaluating software (FD-ISR, RollbackRX, SP Desktop, Paragon, etc., etc.) until my eyes bled, I finally decided that FD-ISR was the one that suited my working methods the best. I'm just about to buy it and now this happens

What do you guys recommend? Grab an FD-ISR while I still can from HDS (or is the version from Raxco still available)? Wait to see if Leapfrog come out with something new?

[BlueZannetti]

Originally Posted by tarsins

What do you guys recommend? Grab an FD-ISR while I still can from HDS (or is the version from Raxco still available)? Wait to see if Leapfrog come out with something new?

You can't buy from Raxco. Discuss with HDS if the version they supply (I believe you can get the previous one from them as well) fills your needs.

As for waiting, that's somewhat akin to buying a product based on a future feature set - always a dicey issue since the future doesn't always turn out as planned.

Blue

[Long View]

Having looked at the leapfrog site I wonder if they have plans for a new and better product ? after all, and I know this will be heresy for some, the program is a bit long in the tooth, and could perhaps do with a radical update. The freeze bit is done better with other programs, and imaging in general has moved on - on some of my machines I can make a full image in less than a minute and restore in just over a minute. My own copy of FD-ISR from Raxco has been gathering dust for the last few months. Just a thought.

[tradetime]

Originally Posted by tarsins

Having spent weeks evaluating software (FD-ISR, RollbackRX, SP Desktop, Paragon, etc., etc.) until my eyes bled, I finally decided that FD-ISR was the one that suited my working methods the best. I'm just about to buy it and now this happens

What do you guys recommend? Grab an FD-ISR while I still can from HDS (or is the version from Raxco still available)? Wait to see if Leapfrog come out with something new?

Well, the first thought that strikes me, is that FD-ISR and RollbackRx are not the same as Shadow Protect and Paragon (Drive Backup?) FD-ISR is a very usefull tool, but not really a sustitute for a good reliable imaging program. As Blue says, you could talk to HDS and see if they still sell full featured FD-ISR, otherwise I'd go back and look at the imaging programs.

[tarsins]

Originally Posted by tradetime

Well, the first thought that strikes me, is that FD-ISR and RollbackRx are not the same as Shadow Protect and Paragon (Drive Backup?) FD-ISR is a very usefull tool, but not really a sustitute for a good reliable imaging program.

I was trying out different types of product because I wasn't sure what I preferred.

[farmerlee]

The current release from HDS seems to be the same old fd-isr with just the freeze option having been removed. If you want fd-isr as we know it i'd say you better get in now before anything else changes for the worse.

[ErikAlbert]

Originally Posted by tarsins

Having spent weeks evaluating software (FD-ISR, RollbackRX, SP Desktop, Paragon, etc., etc.) until my eyes bled, I finally decided that FD-ISR was the one that suited my working methods the best. I'm just about to buy it and now this happens

What do you guys recommend? Grab an FD-ISR while I still can from HDS (or is the version from Raxco still available)? Wait to see if Leapfrog come out with something new?

1. You MUST have minimum Image Backup and ShadowProtect Desktop is the top at this moment : fast and very reliable and I'm speaking of practical experience and I'm certainly not the only one.

2. Having Immediate System Recovery is not a must, it's LUXURY and once you have it, you can't miss it anymore and it is NOT a replacement for Image Backup. So you still need Image Backup, if you have Immediate System Recovery.
FDISR is still the king in possibilities and reliability, all the other ISR-softwares are good and reliable, but don't have so many possibilities as FDISR does.
Unfortunately Horizon DataSys is changing FDISR into an average ISR-software (FDISR Rescue) and is removing all its functions that made FDISR so special and unique. Keep in mind that HDS's flagship "Rollback Rx v8.1" is still not working properly.
So watch out what kind of FDISR you get from HDS, if you decide to buy it. At this moment FDISR's future is unpredictable. According HDS's website FDISR is still not changed, but HDS's website can't be trusted either.

[Long View]

what exactly is missing with the HDS version ? I have just looked on their site and a work station version can be downloaded for $69. If freeze is missing does it really matter ? I appreciate that running returnil on a snapshot isn't ideal for everyone but it worked for me.