Restore on larger hard disk changed disk size

[retired2000]

Here is the chkdsk report for the C drive. I'll now try it for the E drive.
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Event Type: Information
Event Source: Winlogon
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1001
Date: 12/14/2007
Time: 4:26:22 PM
User: N/A
Computer: RETIRED2000
Description:
Checking file system on C:
The type of the file system is NTFS.
Cleaning up minor inconsistencies on the drive.
Cleaning up 131 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9.
Cleaning up 131 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9.
Cleaning up 131 unused security descriptors.
CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal...
Usn Journal verification completed.
CHKDSK is verifying file data (stage 4 of 5)...
File data verification completed.
CHKDSK is verifying free space (stage 5 of 5)...
Free space verification is complete.

39021884 KB total disk space.
21481692 KB in 101498 files.
34204 KB in 8152 indexes.
0 KB in bad sectors.
198788 KB in use by the system.
65536 KB occupied by the log file.
17307200 KB available on disk.

4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
9755471 total allocation units on disk.
4326800 allocation units available on disk.

Internal Info:
00 c3 01 00 5d ac 01 00 cd 47 02 00 00 00 00 00 ....]....G......
8b 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 83 05 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
20 b3 70 08 00 00 00 00 80 9a c2 76 00 00 00 00 .p........v....
20 a0 66 0b 00 00 00 00 c0 a0 a3 0e 06 00 00 00 .f.............
80 25 61 54 02 00 00 00 20 25 e7 f0 08 00 00 00 .%aT.... %......
99 9e 36 00 00 00 00 00 c0 38 07 00 7a 8c 01 00 ..6......8..z...
00 00 00 00 00 70 23 1f 05 00 00 00 d8 1f 00 00 .....p#.........

Windows has finished checking your disk.
Please wait while your computer restarts.


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[retired2000]

Here's the date from the chkdsk for the E drive. I didn't see a way to get it from the event viewer so I just copy/pasted from the command prompt.
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Volume dismounted. All opened handles to this volume are now invalid.
Volume label is backup drive.

CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 5)...
File verification completed.
CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 5)...
Index verification completed.
CHKDSK is verifying security descriptors (stage 3 of 5)...
Security descriptor verification completed.
CHKDSK is verifying file data (stage 4 of 5)...
File data verification completed.
CHKDSK is verifying free space (stage 5 of 5)...
Free space verification is complete.

244196000 KB total disk space.
656 KB in 4 files.
16 KB in 13 indexes.
0 KB in bad sectors.
73456 KB in use by the system.
65536 KB occupied by the log file.
244121872 KB available on disk.

4096 bytes in each allocation unit.
61049000 total allocation units on disk.
61030468 allocation units available on disk.

E:\>

[DwnNdrty]

Originally Posted by retired2000

So....let me see if I understand you. I get the one clone per drive. It means if I clone 30GB from my C drive to the external drive there is nothing else that I could put on the external drive. Is that correct?.

You can put other files, just not more than one Clone. A second attempt to clone will wipe out what is on the drive.

Originally Posted by retired2000

As for backup, do I understand that I can do a backup of my C drive as many times as I want to the external drive? So if I have 30GB on my C drive and 250GB on the external drive, I could create 8 backups on the external drive. Not that I would do that, but is that correct? If so, then I could make a couple of backups to the external drive, although I don't see the value in doing that. When I was working I would tell my customers to do three backups, (the old grandfather, father, son scheme) and put at least one offsite..

Correct ... you could have more than one Backuup Image. Some users like to make periodic Full Backups but still keep the older ones. It's a personal preference how many Full Backups you keep.

Originally Posted by retired2000

The EZ Gig II software allows me two options:

1. Disk imaging where I can 'create an image' or 'restore an image'. Would this be what you refer to as backup?

2. New disk deployment where the only option is 'disk clone'.

I'm not familiar with the EZ Gig software, but True Image would do what you need to save yourself in case the system drive dies. I'm not sure if it is here I mentioned it, but if you haven't done so, you should make the bootable True Image Rescue CD because this is what you will use to Recover (restore) your Image that is on the external on to a new drive. This bootable CD has the basic Backup, Recover and Clone features of the software. I hope this makes things clearer.

[retired2000]

Originally Posted by DwnNdrty

I'm not familiar with the EZ Gig software, but True Image would do what you need to save yourself in case the system drive dies. I'm not sure if it is here I mentioned it, but if you haven't done so, you should make the bootable True Image Rescue CD because this is what you will use to Recover (restore) your Image that is on the external on to a new drive. This bootable CD has the basic Backup, Recover and Clone features of the software. I hope this makes things clearer.

I don't have True Image software, but the Apricorn Data Protection Suite that came with the drive has the EZ Gig II Backup & Recovery software that does the same functions as their True Image. Thanks again for the input.

The next step is to hear back from Brian about the chkdsk data and how to make sure I'm ready to backup to the external drive.

[Brian K]

Rich,

chkdsk on both drives is fine. Good news.

It's time to create your first backup. I'm not familiar with your software. Can you restore the OS partition from a backup image if you have a HD failure?

[Brian K]

Rich, when you want to get rid if that 1/4 GB partition, download Parted Magic.

http://partedmagic.com/downloads.html

Burn the ISO with ImgBurn.

Boot to the Parted Magic CD and delete the above partition and then resize your E: drive partition to take up the unallocated space.

If you don't want to do this, that's OK. You have only lost 1/4 GB. Negligible.

[retired2000]

Originally Posted by Brian K

I'm not familiar with your software. Can you restore the OS partition from a backup image if you have a HD failure?

I don't know the answer to that question. I sent it to Apricorn, but probably won't hear back until Monday.

[retired2000]

Originally Posted by Brian K

Rich, when you want to get rid if that 1/4 GB partition, download Parted Magic.

You may have missed that I don't have that partition on the E drive anymore. I got rid of it the way Apricorn said to do it. That is, start the cloning process and then pull the USB cable right after it does the erase step and before it starts copying. That seemed to work. Here's what I see now:

1. via disk management: I see only one partition with a size of 232.88GB NTFS

2. via my computer: I see free space of 232GB and use space of 72.4MB

I have no idea what the used space contains but it isn't in a partition that I can see. Could this be a hidden partition or the Dell Diagnostic partition?

[Brian K]

You may have missed that I don't have that partition on the E drive anymore

I did miss that.

I have no idea what the used space contains but it isn't in a partition that I can see.

The 72.4 MB is hidden Windows files. They are normal. If you want to see the files briefly, do this. Folder Options, View tab, Show hidden files and folders and remove the tick from Hide protected operating system files (Recommended). Put it back when you are finished.

or the Dell Diagnostic partition?

It was in the 1/4 GB partition. Now gone.

Good work. Everything is back to normal.

[como]

Originally Posted by retired2000

D&D, I do have a bootable CD, but it's not True Image. The software that came with the external drive was Apricorn's EZ GiG II. I booted it up, but there was no option to add a new drive. But here's what I did:

EZ GiG 11 appears to be a cut down version of TrueImage

[DwnNdrty]

Originally Posted by como

EZ GiG 11 appears to be a cut down version of TrueImage

Well son-of-a-gun! .... where will it appear next. Does it let you make a Rescue CD like the real True Image?

[como]

Not in the feature list Link http://www.apricorn.com/product_deta...=1023&type=reg

[Brian K]

Como,

Thanks for that information.

Rich,

I know you are waiting for an answer from Apricorn. If the software can't restore a backup image to a new HD (in the event of a HD failure) then it is useless to you as a backup solution.

[retired2000]

Originally Posted by DwnNdrty

Well son-of-a-gun! .... where will it appear next. Does it let you make a Rescue CD like the real True Image?

If by a rescue CD you mean something that I can boot up and see the Apricorn software such that I could restore an image, yes, I have created a bootable rescue CD (at least they called it a rescue CD).

[retired2000]

Originally Posted by Brian K

I know you are waiting for an answer from Apricorn. If the software can't restore a backup image to a new HD (in the event of a HD failure) then it is useless to you as a backup solution.

The EZ Gig software allows a user to create an image and restore an image. I have created an image of the C drive, but I can't really access it from My Computer. It's one big archive file. When I cloned the C drive I was able to access the external drive and see the folders. I thought it would have been the other way around. So I guess I'm still a bit confused.

[Brian K]

Originally Posted by retired2000

I have created an image of the C drive, but I can't really access it from My Computer. It's one big archive file.

Rich,

That's correct. What you need to determine is whether you can "see" that file from the Rescue CD. Boot to the CD, start the Restore wizard and browse for that file. Naturally you don't want to complete the wizard.

[retired2000]

Originally Posted by Brian K

That's correct. What you need to determine is whether you can "see" that file from the Rescue CD. Boot to the CD, start the Restore wizard and browse for that file. Naturally you don't want to complete the wizard.

I'll give that a try Brian. In the meantime, I went through the User's Guide and followed the instructions for the "Explore Image" option that creates a virtual disk from the archive. That worked just fine and I could see all the folders and data as though they were on my internal C drive.

I'm just still a bit confused about imaging and cloning. But I'm happy I have a backup of the entire disk. I use a flash drive to back up the important stuff when I make changes (to Quicken or to our website) or add stuff (new photos or travelogs in progress).

I appreciate the help y'all have given to me the past few days. I'm glad I found this forum.

[Brian K]

What is the difference between an "image" and a "clone"?

http://www.goodells.net/multiboot/notes.htm#14



To use a clone or an image for backup. Reply #7

http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaB...8474;start=7#7

[retired2000]

Originally Posted by Brian K

What is the difference between an "image" and a "clone"?

http://www.goodells.net/multiboot/notes.htm#14



To use a clone or an image for backup. Reply #7

http://radified.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaB...8474;start=7#7

Thanks Brian. Those links helped. I think I'll stick with the image rather than the clone. The thinking I got from a couple of buddies was to have a copy of one's system on an external drive that one could boot from in the event of a crash on the internal drive. But it seems it's pretty easy to restore the system via the rescue CD and put the system back on a replacement internal hard drive.

[Brian K]

Rich,

The chance of your laptop being able to boot from an external HD is very slim.

DwnNdrty, what do you think? It's not something I've attempted.

[GroverH]

retired2000 from retired1993,
Perhaps my backup & restore guides below can provide an overview.

[Brian K]

GroverH,

I've already paid you that honour. See post #123.

Excellent.

[retired2000]

Originally Posted by GroverH

retired2000 from retired1993,
Perhaps my backup & restore guides below can provide an overview.

Thanks Grover. I'll hang onto those links. I shared them with several of my RV buddies with whom I have been conversing about this subject. At least one is still hanging on to cloning being the way he thinks is best to go.

[deathbysmurf]

Hi all. Specifically signed up to try and get some answers as to the problem.

I've got an e1505 that I recently tried cloning. I was completely unaware about this HPA issue at the time, so stupid me, I find that it screwed up the size of my new drive (120gb) with the old (60). I've tried as many of the solutions listed previously as possible, around 6 separate CD's lying around with the Hitachi tool, Magic Boot Disk, PTS Disc Editor, almost every iso that was mentioned, and yes I have cleared the LBA-3 with SecEdit, but nothing has worked. I'll provide more info if you ask for it, since I'm not sure what kind of specs you guys might need, but I'm at the end of the rope here, ready and willing to ship the new drive back and demand a replacement.

Sure was nice of Dell to let me know about this issue when I gave them $140, isn't it?

[Brian K]

deathbysmurf,

That's annoying. Let's hope we can fix it.

Could you download dsrfix.zip from Dan's page....

http://www.goodells.net/dellrestore/fixes.htm

Unzip the archive and burn dsrfixcd.iso to a CD. You don't need the other files in the zip. The CD contains several tools we may need. Boot to the CD and type dsrfix at the command prompt and press Enter.

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