Whoo Hooo!!! Vista Rocks!!!!

[Meriadoc]

Yeah abit fast then, compared with the xp I have installed (time is a factor there) + it seems the same with/without aero.
Still, this seems so quick.

[lucas1985]

Vista is slower in CPU intensive apps (number crunching). However, the new disk caching algorithm (SuperFetch) seems to do a very good job. I guess that Meriadoc is talking about the later.

[charincol]

Vista Rocks, my @$$! I hope all you Vista fanboys are happy with the new BitLocker technology that is shipped with it. It's one of two "Trusted Computing" components that came with Vista. The only reason there weren't more was because of a lack of standards agreement between the members of this Trusted Computing consortium. It's just the start of Microsoft introducing new technologies that will allow them to remotely control what's on your PC.

Trusted Computing should mean that you are trusted to be an adult with your own computer. Instead, it really means Microsoft, IBM, HP, Intel, AMD and others who are part of this consortium don't think your a big enough boy/girl to trust you to know what's best for your computing experience. Ultimately, Microsoft wants to control you computer, and this is their foot in the door.

Fortunately, The EU is not turning a blind eye to this.

POWER TO THE IGNORANT AMERICAN SHEEPLE! They usually get what they deserve. (I'm a very patriotic American by the way!)

[midway40]

AFAIK Bitlocker is only for Enterprise and Ultimate editions. In Ultimate it is an Extra which you can choose whether or not to install it. Plus you have to have a BIOS capable of running TPM 1.2 which in my case it doesn't. These TPM-capable chips are only on newer computers.

[charincol]

Oh, Well, in that case, Microsoft's "little foot" in the door is perfectly acceptable and the motives behind "Trusted Computing" MUST be divine if not perfectly honorable.

[midway40]

[sigh] whatever...

[DVD+R]

Originally Posted by charincol

Vista Rocks, my @$$! I hope all you Vista fanboys are happy with the new BitLocker technology that is shipped with it. (I'm a very patriotic American by the way!)

~Snip~ If you've notheing constructive to say, Shut Up!

[TOMxEU]

Originally Posted by charincol

Microsoft wants to control you computer, and this is their foot in the door.

It might be true, but in fact, I would be glad, if it really would be true.
I do not care about privacy, if it helps to security against terrorists and etc.
People are giving their PC's power to folding for cancer, why not for security?
By the way, privacy on the internet is just a myth, there is no such thing at all.
In fact the more privacy tools someone uses, logically the more atention he will get.
I will never understand, why are skilled people willing to slow down their PC with proxy.

I trust MS & not EU, which is a bunch of stupid people, who know nothing about the world.
There are much more worse things than MS, but this is definitelly not a place to discuss that.

[Meriadoc]

DVD+R everyone can have an opinion, no need to insult. Surely your reply is not constructive either

I do not care about privacy, if it helps to security against terrorists and etc.

I dont believe giving up my privacy and freedom

[charincol]

Trusted Computing has nothing to do with security.

If speaking out against the erosion of privacy and freedom is being an orifice of excrement, than I am one.

[NGRhodes]

The concept of trusted computing is flawed in many ways and is one of the reasons I chose to move away from MS.

Have a look/read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted...sted_computing.

http://www.lafkon.net/tc/

[ronjor]

Let's try to stay on the high side of things in this thread and eliminate personal attacks, accusations, and name calling.

[charincol]

Originally Posted by nickr

The concept of trusted computing is flawed in many ways and is one of the reasons I chose to move away from MS.

A man with the ability to see the big picture. XP will be my last MS OS if the direction doesn't change. I'm mildly interested in the Build-your-own-Linux-distro project to help me with my eventual transition. (Nothing like gettin your hands dirty.)

I have absolutely no problem with anyone having enjoyment of Vista and liking it. I have a problem with people having enthusiasm for something without taking the time to understand the full implications of it. If you understand what "Trusted Computing" really is and still choose to use Vista and later products from Microsoft that WILL be more invasive, you will get no criticisms from me. An informed choice is everybody's right. So is an uninformed one. I just have greater appreciation for the former.

[FluxGFX]

Hi folks,

It's quite interesting the venue of vista, since this was introduced not to long ago, allot of our corporate locations have switch to it entirely. Having the opportunity to run vista for a few months now, our corporate IT groups have actually removed vista from all PC's. (This is for 20 000 users), standard Windows 2000 was re-imaged on all machines and the IT systems have all returned back to standard UNIX/Solaris systems.

The final verdict on this was to big of a user impact, not work friendly, very easy to crash, very easy to penetrate the network from internal or external sources and the lack of support offered from Microsoft in regards to the label 122 vulnerability in vista. The lock down features in vista can be bypass with ease, which made the IT job much harder to control the application distribution process.

As stated again, vista should not be used in a corporate environment and or at home. For the time being keep XP on your machines or Win2K.

- Currently running Ubuntu KDE and GNOME versions.

Regards,
fluxgfx.com

[TOMxEU]

FluxGFX you sum it up pretty well. Vista was released too early and that was a mistake.
Vista is not ready for companies, nor for home users, lets hope, it will be when SP1 is out.
Those, who bought Vista are starting to realize, that their nice dream turns into a nigtmare.
It looks to me, that MS is desperate, all those ADs with Vista WOW around do not really help.
I think, that it might the second Win, which will die before it is born and Vienna will replace it.

[thezman]

been running vista for a while now.. i have to say i agree with its performance advantages. my system has never run as smooth and as fast as it seems to now. also as mentioned i have seen ram usage of programs formally using over 20mb now down to 3-4 or so.. now i personally did not buy vista nor did i steal it. i have a freind who works for a comp company and gave me a legit oem copy that would normally ship with one of their pc's. has the hologram and all on it as a real one does.

yes one problem is program compatability and also drivers. but i am trying to be patient.
now if i had to pay to upgrade i prob would not do it. but i can say now that im running it i will not go back to xp..

[Peter2150]

Originally Posted by thezman

been running vista for a while now.. i have to say i agree with its performance advantages. my system has never run as smooth and as fast as it seems to now. also as mentioned i have seen ram usage of programs formally using over 20mb now down to 3-4 or so.. now i personally did not buy vista nor did i steal it. i have a freind who works for a comp company and gave me a legit oem copy that would normally ship with one of their pc's. has the hologram and all on it as a real one does.

yes one problem is program compatability and also drivers. but i am trying to be patient.
now if i had to pay to upgrade i prob would not do it. but i can say now that im running it i will not go back to xp..

Hi thezman

Glad you like Vista. Don't want to hit this hard, but as far as MS is concerned you aren't running a legit copy, and your friend would be in big trouble. OEM license if you read it is the program is licensed such that the owner, machine, and software are one bundle and must remain intact. So unless that copy of vista came on a machine you purchased, from the oem manufacture it isn't legal.

Pete

[Pedro]

I think so too. That company rented Vista for a specific pc (OEM).
You might want to check that.

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,

Not necessarily true:

At my workplace, I'm entitled to copies of the OS for my home machines, as well I was during my univerisity studies, although I never took advantage of this possibility.

He might have some sort of a weird arrangement...

Mrk

[Pedro]

That could be, but i'd re-check it.
Now that i think about it, if it were illegal, he wouldn't have access to his computer...

[Peter2150]

Originally Posted by Mrkvonic

Hello,

Not necessarily true:

At my workplace, I'm entitled to copies of the OS for my home machines, as well I was during my univerisity studies, although I never took advantage of this possibility.

He might have some sort of a weird arrangement...

Mrk

Hi Mrk

Could well be, but I bet the agreement you are under wouldn't allow you to give a copy to a friend.

Pete

[TOMxEU]

Yes, he could register that OEM for his PC, but his employer would not be happy about it.
But anyway, getting an OEM without buying any hardware is questionable enough already.

[luciddream]

Personally I think Vista sucks. I know a few people that hated it so much that they re-installed XP back onto their machines and returned their Vista disk to the manufacturer.

It's a HUGE freakin resource hog, and for what purpose? It doesn't do anything that you can't do with XP Home/Pro or XP Media Center edition. All the stuff you mention btw... can be done with XP Media Center as well, and it uses FAR less resources to accomplish it.

There are a TON of compatibility issues and many of them are not easily resolved as you mention.

I really can't think of 1 good reason to upgrade to Vista, but I can think of plenty of reasons why I shouldn't. It's not just Vista, it happens with EVERY OS Microsoft releases. Windows 98 wasn't that good until they released 98SE... even XP was a pretty sketchy OS until they released SP2. I'm going to wait until they work out all the bugs/glitches and until more software is compatible with it until I upgrade to Vista. Maybe they will release a Vista SP2 in the future? Then I would upgrade.

Vista is not ready for companies, nor for home users, lets hope, it will be when SP1 is out.

The more things change (O/S's) at Microsoft, the more they stay the same don't they? Maybe SP2, SP3, oh heck surley a Servicepack 3 for good measure then Vienna sausage to bite on afterwards right?

Those, who bought Vista are starting to realize, that their nice dream turns into a nightmare.
It looks to me, that MS is desperate, all those ADs with Vista WOW around do not really help.
I think, that it might the second Win, which will die before it is born and Vienna will replace it.

No doubts about it at all and right on target with those comments.

It's a HUGE freakin resource hog, and for what purpose? It doesn't do anything that you can't do with XP Home/Pro or XP Media Center edition. All the stuff you mention btw... can be done with XP Media Center as well, and it uses FAR less resources to accomplish it.

There are a TON of compatibility issues and many of them are not easily resolved as you mention.

I really can't think of 1 good reason to upgrade to Vista, but I can think of plenty of reasons why I shouldn't. It's not just Vista, it happens with EVERY OS Microsoft releases. Windows 98 wasn't that good until they released 98SE... even XP was a pretty sketchy OS until they released SP2.

Heh, luciddream scores a perfect 100 for hitting the nail squarely on the head too. I heard plenty of recent complaints from my neighbors over Vista that they took it back and got a refund or else got a PC with XP on it from a wholeseller.

Incidently i was using Vista-like 3-D enhancements way back on the 98 which by the way when you think about it wasn't all that far back at all now. So what of Flip 3-D and all the other visual enhancements in Vista, for pity's sake, M$ is so far gone but yet continue to trudge ahead before cleaning up the messes they always leave behind. They had a date with 98/Me to re-write again after releasing XP but instead chose to eventually abandon them and run away from 'em like they were the plague. If so, it was one of their own making they had an obligation to correct, right?

I personally would like to see some techo company in this world produce a more reliable O/S and more popular too then M$. It was a great learning experience but i'm afraid that's all it'll ever be for us users.

I know Linux and Apple are players but theres always room for one more they say.

[Seer]

Hello.

originally posted by luciddream:

I know a few people that hated it so much that they re-installed XP back onto their machines and returned their Vista disk to the manufacturer.

Yeah, well I didn't do exactly that, but I had Vista in dual boot with XP, and a few days ago I finally ditched it. I just didn't find any advantage in using Vista, except trying out which software works on it and which don't...