Not sure if this is an anti-virus related problem...

[Deepshadows]

Recently (i play WoW, World of Warcraft), I got a new case and power supply for my comp prior to the expansion pack of Burning crusade coming out. I took all my parts from my old case, and put them in the new one, accompanied by the new power supply. After doing this my computer seemed to run at about its normal rate, no problems (but i was not playing wow from this time till the expansion pack came out).

Then about two days before the expansion pack came out, my norton system works subscription wore out. This along with my spy-sweeper program subscription wore out. (the programs i have on my comp. for mal-ware relief are ad-aware SE, spy-bot, norton system works, spy sweeper, and ewido (now the new AVG system). Computer still seemed to run noticibly fine and normal till release date of WoW expansion...

On the day of release I of course installed the game right away... to find that I was having a lag problem every now and then. This problem did not however start occuring until the day after installation... The lag problem proceeded for a duration of about 3-4 four hours, and worsened as it went on. Finally, at about 4 and a half hours of play, my computer stopped for a min, then went to a blue screen (some call this the blue screen of death when thier computer prompts them with an error message that something obviously went wrong). Before i had the chance to read anything other than "dumping physical memory", the screen went out and my comp shut off...

I turned my comp back on, logged back onto wow... Lag again... for about 5 minutes this time and then the blue screen again... again it goes too fast for me to read what the possible problem may be. It is at this point and time i became concerned so i began running all of my programs listed above (including my out of date norton and spy sweep) and they each found nothing to be "wrong" with my computer.

From that day on till now, i have had constant problems with my computer running smoothly at 0-4% CPU with all and any application minimized, or no applications running. However, when I run any program, the CPU usage jumps around spurratically... I removed my out of date norton from my computer (after running some defrags with it) and my spy sweeper... as well as WoW the BC and then reinstalled that program. I also did a sweep through all of my computer removing all programs that i do not use anymore.

Coming back from this my brother offered me the program smit fraud fix in which i ran in safe mode (all of my other scans i mentioned were also done in normal, and in safe mode). This seemed to help a little, but my computer still runs at about 6-100% when i have a web page up, and 80-100% when i play WoW the BC. One other thing i did, is i checked in my computer to see if all my hardware was attached correctly (my video cards power supply attachment didnt seem to quite be pushed in all the so i was able to push it in a little more.) Upon doing so, i remembered also being told that some of Nvidia's new drivers were not working quite so correctly and i was concerned that could also be a problem, so i reverted back to v. 77.77.

Does anyone see anything that i have done wrong in all of these processes... IDK what to do short of taking it to the shop, which i don't want to do, and i am just running out of ideas b/c i have tried to think of everything... and the only thing i can really think of is that i might have to buy an all new processor and video card, which would mean i would also have to buy a new motherboard, resulting in me also having to buy 2 gigs of ram as well... is there anyone who can think of anything, anything at all that might help me out

Is there something simple i am missing... or is there some possibility that my scan programs are missing something... ?

[Deepshadows]

Am i in the wrong forum for this?

[Blackspear]

Hi Deepshadows, welcome to Wilders.

I have moved your thread here where it should receive better attention. I also tend to think you could have an overheating problem that may be the cause of this issue.

I have also broken up your single block of text into paragraphs to make it a little easier to read.

Cheers

[Deepshadows]

thanks

[Deepshadows]

i don't believe it is a overheating problem... i have several fans on the inside of my comp... as well as a pretty nicely sized heat sink on my processor and a fan.... plus i just turned off my comp and poked around and all the fans seem to be working properly as well as the sink, and i have plenty of cooling jelly (i believe that is what that is called) between the processor and sink... i just don't know... i feel like i have tried everything... i just got the trail version of onecare on my comp to see if it can find anything.

[Primrose]

Quote:

"On the day of release I of course installed the game right away... to find that I was having a lag problem every now and then. This problem did not however start occuring until the day after installation... The lag problem proceeded for a duration of about 3-4 four hours, and worsened as it went on. Finally, at about 4 and a half hours of play, my computer stopped for a min, then went to a blue screen (some call this the blue screen of death when thier computer prompts them with an error message that something obviously went wrong). Before i had the chance to read anything other than "dumping physical memory", the screen went out and my comp shut off..."

right mouse-click on 'My Computer' icon and go MANAGE
then select EVENTVIEWER. The following logs can be displayed

or

Go to the Start Menu, then to Settings, then to the Control Panel. Go to Administrative Tools. then open event viewer

also try this..

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User Profile Hive Cleanup Service
Brief Description
A service to help with slow log off and unreconciled profile problems.

Overview
The User Profile Hive Cleanup service helps to ensure user sessions are completely terminated when a user logs off. System processes and applications occasionally maintain connections to registry keys in the user profile after a user logs off. In those cases the user session is prevented from completely ending. This can result in problems when using Roaming User Profiles in a server environment or when using locked profiles as implemented through the Shared Computer Toolkit for Windows XP.

On Windows 2000 you can benefit from this service if the application event log shows event id 1000 where the message text indicates that the profile is not unloading and that the error is "Access is denied". On Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 either event ids 1517 and 1524 indicate the same profile unload problem.

To accomplish this the service monitors for logged off users that still have registry hives loaded. When that happens the service determines which application have handles opened to the hives and releases them. It logs the application name and what registry keys were left open. After this the system finishes unloading the profile.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

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What's User Profile Hive Cleanup Service (UPHClean)?

A. Frequently, a driver or application leaks registry handles, which means the driver or application opens the registry but doesn't close it. The open registry isn't a problem until you log off, when the profile of the logged-on user tries to unload the user's registry but fails because it's still in use. An open registry connection is a major problem if you use roaming profiles; because the system can't unload your profile, Windows can't copy it back to the profile storage server. If the system doesn't unload your profile, when you log on the next day you'll receive an error stating that your local profile is newer than your remote profile. Typically, with this problem an administrator will see event ID 1517, 1524, or 1500 in the event logs.

Microsoft provides a service called UPHClean, which checks for leaked connections to the registry and cleans them up, thereby letting a user's profile unload cleanly so Windows can copy it back to the remote profile storage area. You can download UPHClean at Web site. Your best option is to download file UPHClean-Setup.msi, which you can then deploy through Group Policy or--if you need to deploy UPHClean on a large scale--Systems Management Server (SMS). You need Administrator privileges to install UPHClean interactively. I've used UPHClean many times, and it has always fixed the profile-locking problems.

http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/...257/42257.html

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This is an example why it might help.
http://gladiator-antivirus.com/forum...leanup+Service

[Deepshadows]

i think i will look into the log thing, but not so sure about the users thing... cuz i am the only user of this computer, its my own personal one among my family, so i am the only account holder as well. but that was great information to know. ty for the help. if anyone else has any ideas please keep them coming. i am really appreciating this.

[Deepshadows]

Thanks for the info about checking the log...

These are some of the things that come up as of the 22nd:
Source: W32Time
The time service has not been able to synchronize the system time for 49152 seconds because none of the time providers has been able to provide a usable time stamp. The system clock is unsynchronized.

The Second and Third problems were recurring errors and warnings that occur a couple of times a day since the crash:
Recurring Error throughout about 20 minutes:
Source: atapi
The device, \Device\Ide\IdePort0, did not respond within the timeout period.
(This also happened a few times before the first error)

Recurring Warning throughout about 2 minutes, about 18 minutes after the first error:
Source: disk
An error was detected on device \Device\Harddisk1\D during a paging operation.

Informations pop up directly after a large # of errors and warnings in under a minute:
Application popup: Windows - Delayed Write Failed : Windows was unable to save all the data for the file D:\$Mft. The data has been lost. This error may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere.

Error directly after a large # of errors and warnings in under a minute:
The device 'WDC WD307AA-00BAA0' (IDE\DiskWDC_WD307AA-00BAA0______________________10.09K11\4457572d414d4632303137323437_035_0_0_0_0) disappeared from the system without first being prepared for removal.

Any ideas what any of this could mean??

[Primrose]

Originally Posted by Deepshadows

i think i will look into the log thing, but not so sure about the users thing... cuz i am the only user of this computer, its my own personal one among my family, so i am the only account holder as well. but that was great information to know. ty for the help. if anyone else has any ideas please keep them coming. i am really appreciating this.

Makes no difference..it( User Profile Hive Cleanup Service) will still work for you as a single user..links have been corrected.

If you come up with any info in the event viiewer under system or application...for that error at the time it happened and you want help..then post the info..or use the built in feature of the event veiwer..by highlighting the error..then hit the action tab..then properties and go from there..

[Primrose]

The Second and Third problems were recurring errors, and warnings:
Recurring Error throughout about 20 minutes:
Source: atapi
The device, \Device\Ide\IdePort0, did not respond within the timeout period.
(This also happened a few times before the first error)

Event Type: Error
Event Source: atapi
Event Category: None
Event ID: 9
Date: 1/25/2007
Time: 10:01:28 AM
User: N/A
Computer: Yours
Description:
The device, \Device\Ide\IdePort1, did not respond within the timeout period.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.



IDE Port 0 is usually also known as the Primary IDE port, and Port 1 as the
Secondary IDE Port. Which mean that on the motherboard you have 2 sockets
side by side, one of which the cable plugs into that also connects to your C
drive (that's the Port 0 aka Primary IDE Port). Sometimes instead of 0 it is
1 and instead of 1 it is 2 (go figure; by long standing convention it's
supposed to be referred to as 0 and 1, not 1 and 2).

It is somewhat likely that you have a device on Port 1 that is failing.
Unplug the flat ribbon cable for all devices except for drive C, and then
try reconnecting one at a time and watch for the error. Be absolutely sure
that the power is off whenever you disconnect or connect the cable -- they
are not meant to be "hot swapped" and failure to follow that advice could
result in physical damage. Also note the orientation of the red stripe on
the flat ribbon cable, most are keyed to prevent it but plugging it in
backwards is possible in some cases and would surely result in physical
damage if that happens.

Once you find the offending device, try substituting it with another and see
if the problem returns (it probably will not). Note that IDE devices use
jumpers for proper configuration and improper configuration can cause data
loss or even physical damages. Take it to a tech if all this makes you
nervous! Anyway, if the problem remains with a substitute device then you
probably have a defective or failing IDE Controller chip on the motherboard,
but otherwise the device that was substituted is probably on the verge of
complete failure and SP2 was just making it more noticeable. CD drives
beginning to fail are a common cause of the type of problem that you seem to
have.

A remote possibility is that you need to obtain the latest drivers from the
motherboard or chipset manufacture. I do not recommend trying that unless
you have an bootable (and tested!) image backup of your current C drive. It
is also possible, as a last resort, that your motherboard BIOS needs
updating -- something I'm very loath to do, myself, because if the "flash"
doesn't work then the BIOS must be physically replaced on the motherboard
(there is no recovery from a bad BIOS flash).

[Deepshadows]

I noticed that several of the errors have to do with the D drive... on the day that me and my friend transfered all of the parts, when we were putting my hard drive in... a metal piece that was inproperly mad (which we later took out) pierced the side of one of the drives... possibly the D drive, but the only thing that it did was cut through a metalic sticker that comes on all drives. My friend and i were thinking that it couldnt have harmed the drive otherwise it wouldn't be working at all, or would be having physical problems... but is it a possibility that it would just slowly break itself down and then start causing all the problems i am having?

[Primrose]

Have to look at the rest of the stuff you posted..but right now it's 12:19 AM in my neck of the woods and have to shove off to bed.

[Deepshadows]

hahah. yeah, well you have been a huge help thus far. thanks a ton, and if you don't have the time to get back to me on this, i understand. Thanks a billion... the news about what could possibly be wrong is looking like i may need a new motherboard...

[Primrose]

I will catch up to you latter..see if you can look up some of those other error and also see if you have any error eventsID4226.


http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/se...02506328&sid=1

[Primrose]

possible write delay thingie

http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/cont...ic/2459/?o=100

you can find more I am sure that would be applicable to your hardware.

[Primrose]

Go into your BIOS and make sure that it states for your harddirve that it not only recognizes it..but also that it recognizes the real size of that drive and not something smaller.

I am at a disadvantage to really help you..no matter what errors you find..unless I know what you put together including hardware and software..so you could help by posting the info from this program in your next post.

http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html


The Belarc Advisor builds a detailed profile of your installed software and hardware, missing Microsoft hotfixes, anti-virus status, CIS (Center for Internet Security) benchmarks, and displays the results in your Web browser. All of your PC profile information is kept private on your PC and is not sent to any web server.
Operating Systems: Runs on Windows 95/98/Me, NT 4, Windows 2000, XP and Windows Server 2003.
Browsers: Requires IE 3 or Netscape 3, and higher versions. Also runs on Opera, Mozilla, and Firefox.
File size: 1048 KB.
License: The license associated with this product allows for free personal use only. Use on multiple PCs in a corporate, educational, military or government installation is prohibited. See the license agreement for details.
Wish to run the Belarc Advisor on your corporate network, see FAQs below.

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Also.. your Master File Table $MFT could be corrupted.

http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/file/ntfs/archMFT-c.html

Also I do not know how you partitioned your harddrive under NTFS ..it can get tricky with WinXP and larger drives

http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/file/...rchPart-c.html

sometimes all that can be fixed with Partition Magic Pro 8

[Deepshadows]

First, I ran a find action for Event ID: 4226 and had several. right now, i am currently downloading Belarc. i will have more to come on my system stats ect. in a few minutes. Also, I looked into the system cache issue, and my computer is running off of the correct object, and not the system cache.

[Deepshadows]

Here are the specs that Belarc found, however, I did take out some informations such as my network info and my name due to confidentiality issues (i did however keep my ip and and gateway so that you knew what kind of router i had... irrelevent or not... and yes i am aware that D-Links suck). Also, the reason that my computer is showing so many CD-ROM drives is because I have Daemon tools (these would be the first 3 drives it shows I believe):



^^^ I am actually unaware of what some of these programs are... ^^^

[Deepshadows]

Originally Posted by Primrose

Quote:

"On the day of release I of course installed the game right away... to find that I was having a lag problem every now and then. This problem did not however start occuring until the day after installation... The lag problem proceeded for a duration of about 3-4 four hours, and worsened as it went on. Finally, at about 4 and a half hours of play, my computer stopped for a min, then went to a blue screen (some call this the blue screen of death when thier computer prompts them with an error message that something obviously went wrong). Before i had the chance to read anything other than "dumping physical memory", the screen went out and my comp shut off..."

right mouse-click on 'My Computer' icon and go MANAGE
then select EVENTVIEWER. The following logs can be displayed

or

Go to the Start Menu, then to Settings, then to the Control Panel. Go to Administrative Tools. then open event viewer

also try this..

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http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

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http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/...257/42257.html

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This is an example why it might help.
http://gladiator-antivirus.com/forum...leanup+Service

I downloaded the windows program, does this just run in the background... or is something that you have to bring up and run... because i cant find it.

[Deepshadows]

I will be at work tonight and won't be on until later, if anyone has anything to add, please do, all suggestions are greatly appreciated. I will probably be able to check back in around 12-1 EST. Thanks all.

[Primrose]

There are a lot of unhappy gamers out there..

http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archi....html#00001098



Blizzard

http://www-en.curse-gaming.com/games...r-restoration/

I suggest your next step would be to find a forum that does hijackthis logs and have them take a look. BTW if you click on the * you find by each program or application found in Belarc..it will take you to the folder of each.

[Deepshadows]

I opted to get a new hard drive. After doing so, I loaded my windows on and all my drivers... except my sound card driver. When I found that I no longer had my sound cards driver disk. I figured, no big deal, I will just go to Creative's website and download my driver there. After some searching, I was able to find the driver to my Soundblaster Live! 24-Bit sound card... but there is a problem, when I tried to download it, I recieved an error that read as code 5002. I looked for this error on the internet, and it appeared that other users of the card had the same problem, only their problem was fixed by merely putting their cd driver in the rom drive and then running the program... Any comments?

[Primrose]

Yes..used to have a great thread about that on our website..can't find it now..but your problem has to do with the fact you do not have the CD..so people have to trick it..bascically this is how..when you do the install and it asks for the CD to complete the process..it still put all the stuff you really need in your TEMP file..so you just then manually get the stuff from your temp file and install it that way..

example


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http://www.download.com/Creative-Sou...-10279949.html

Run the install, which then fails.


Go into Control Panel > System > Hardware > Device Manager > Sound Video and Game Controllers > Properties tab for my sound card > Driver > Update Driver ...

Then 'Install from a specific location' > 'Don't Search I will choose the driver to install' > 'Have Disk'


Then point windows to driver file that the failed install unzipped itself to, this is C:\WINDOWS\Temp\CRF000\Drivers\WDM\wdma_emu.inf


The drivers will then hopefully install properly.

[Primrose]

Still can't find that thread at the Gladiator Security Forum I made..but it went like this..

I had this problems also :



Download the Web Update version of the Surround Mixer from Creative, but don't run the setup file, it will detect if the mixer is alread install or not and won't let you update unless it finds and exisiting install of it.

Instead, since it is an self extrating archive, use WinRAR to extract it to a temp folder. In your temp folder you'll now find a sub folder named SURMIX2, go in there and run the setup.exe file there and the mixer will install.

You can use the same procedure for the Audigy Drivers and the HQ control panel without having to install all the stuff from the original CD. This makes a nice clean install of the whole Audigy Drivers and Software. Another great thing to point out, I was able to get the the WDM drivers to install on a Win98 box with full SoundFont support too!

from here:
http://au.creative.com/support/downloads/download.asp
or
http://nl.europe.creative.com/support/downloads/

[Deepshadows]

hey. thanks. i have one problem with using that technique, i dont have winRAR, is this a downloadable program? I know what it is, but i dont have it. Also, another strange observation that i made, that i noticed before i changed the hardrive on my computer, that is still happening now, if i leave my computer on for a while, my hard drive will start beeping... its strange.