Anonymous proxy questions

[Londonbeat]

I sometimes use Tor and find it very useful, but a problem I experienced twice now is having my account deleted from (smaller) forums; Problematic members have been banned and had their IP address range blocked and the only way they can access the site is to use a proxy, so the site owners appear to be checking out for 'suspicious' IP's, i.e. ones that change every few minutes when your logged on, one minute I'm online from Germany, the next minute from Wisconsin.

Does Jap also change your IP every few minutes to different locations around the world?

Are there any other anonymous proxy's that keep your IP the same for the time you are logged on, or are always from the same country?

Thanks,
Londonbeat

[blazr63]

I posted this via JAP. I've only used it for a few days, so I'm no expert, but it seems to keep my IP static per service. Only if I change the service to route through a different proxy does my IP appear to change. Overall it's much faster than TOR, so I've been using it for surfing at work.

[Londonbeat]

Thanks for that, are there any good links for instructions for using/installing JAP? I've tried searching this (and other) forum for 'JAP' but the word is ""too short and was not included in search""...

Thanks,
Londonbeat

[Pedro]

For installation, instructions, etc. you'll find everything in their homepage:
http://tor.eff.org/

The FAQ is very useful

[Londonbeat]

Thanks for that link, that's for Tor, do you know any for JAP?

Thanks,
Londonbeat

[Pedro]

Sorry, my bad
I meant to give this link:

http://anon.inf.tu-dresden.de/index_en.html

[Londonbeat]

Originally Posted by Someone

http://anon.inf.tu-dresden.de/index_en.html

Thanks

Londonbeat

[Londonbeat]

Hi,

The above link to JAP has an 'Anonymity checker' link on their page which links to this site:
http://www.leader.ru/secure/who.html

I know all sites log your IP address, but can any site also log other info shown on here, such as Browser used, OS details, etc, or does this require special software which only 'specialist sites' like leader.ru are using?

Londonbeat

[iceni60]

Originally Posted by Londonbeat

Thanks for that, are there any good links for instructions for using/installing JAP? I've tried searching this (and other) forum for 'JAP' but the word is ""too short and was not included in search""...

Thanks,
Londonbeat

you can put this into google

site:www.wilderssecurity.com jap

[Genady Prishnikov]

Originally Posted by Londonbeat

Hi,

The above link to JAP has an 'Anonymity checker' link on their page which links to this site:
http://www.leader.ru/secure/who.html

I know all sites log your IP address, but can any site also log other info shown on here, such as Browser used, OS details, etc, or does this require special software which only 'specialist sites' like leader.ru are using?

Londonbeat

Any site can harvest this information. It's even as easy as putting SiteMeter on your page.
By the way, here is another example:
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/aboutyou.ch

[Londonbeat]

Originally Posted by Genady Prishnikov

Any site can harvest this information. It's even as easy as putting SiteMeter on your page.
By the way, here is another example:
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/aboutyou.ch

Thanks for the info and link.

Londonbeat

[tradetime]

Interesting programs, both Tor and JAP, I have been playing around with them for just a couple of days, I have aalways bwwn led to believe that anonimity was impossible on the webm but JAP would seem to suggest that it is possible.
I was wondering what users of either see as the pros and cons of one over the other?

[Pedro]

I think JAP is faster. And it's simple to me, there's nothing to it. Conceptually i've heard experienced member say that TOR is more foolproof, because it uses 3 proxy's, and so on. That's why it's slower too.
Bottom line i guess there's a trade-off, but i don't see how TOR is, in practical terms, better than JAP.
But i haven't used it for quite some time. Surely it will be of some use in the future.

[tradetime]

Originally Posted by Someone

I think JAP is faster. And it's simple to me, there's nothing to it. Conceptually i've heard experienced member say that TOR is more foolproof, because it uses 3 proxy's, and so on. That's why it's slower too.
Bottom line i guess there's a trade-off, but i don't see how TOR is, in practical terms, better than JAP.
But i haven't used it for quite some time. Surely it will be of some use in the future.

Thanx for your views, I'm still playing and quite open minded about both. I am finding JAP difficult to get to play with proximitron, the client (JAP) works fine on its own, but after installing Proximitron and following the instructions on the JAP website when I perform the test after entering the address / port info for JAP I get the following text.

Testing 127.0.0.1:4001
Waiting for remote proxy's reply
Proxy test Failed!
>HTTP/1.0 503 Service Unavailable
Ending proxy test

Not sure what the problem is yet, disabling Jetico doesn't make any difference.

[tradetime]

Originally Posted by tradetime

I am finding JAP difficult to get to play with proximitron, the client (JAP) works fine on its own, but after installing Proximitron and following the instructions on the JAP website when I perform the test after entering the address / port info for JAP I get the following text.

Testing 127.0.0.1:4001
Waiting for remote proxy's reply
Proxy test Failed!
>HTTP/1.0 503 Service Unavailable
Ending proxy test

Not sure what the problem is yet, disabling Jetico doesn't make any difference.

Ok in case anybody is interested, this doesn't seem to matter, I was not able to solve the "Test Error" but proxo seems to be working fine anyways, so thats ok. Proxo seems to be a little easier to make changes to that privoxy, which came with Tor.
So far Jap seems to be quite a bit quicker than Tor and more reliable, since Tor seems to fairly frequently throw up an error page in the browser,

[tradetime]

Hi, need help with JAP + proxomitron, driving me crazy, I keep getting logged out of sites and have to re-login, then by the time I get back to where I was I often get logged out again.

[tradetime]

Well my experience with TOR and JAP so far........
TOR / privoxy, a complete waste of space, has the clever ability to turn a broadband connection into a slower than the worst dialup I've ever seen, and believe me in my travels around the world I've come across some backward assed connections. Lot's of Error 404 No such domain garbage on perfectly good domains.

JAP / proxomitron, mediocre at best, faster than TOR but still unreliable, frequently unable to resolve perfectly serviceable domains.

If this is the best privacy software has to offer, all I can say is Oh dear!

[Pedro]

Only with a faster net will this work as fast as you expect, i think. The information has to go through some stops along the way.

Sorry not to reply sooner, but besides the fact that i'm not the guy for you, , i've been absent from my computer.

I only tried JAP alone. Why do you use JAP / proxomitron? Maybe i'm forgetting something.

Cheers

[Woody777]

I believe JAP might have a backdoor in it.. Put there by the German laws. It operates out of Europe. You can use TOR with it but I never tried to do this.Another Proxy yuo might consider is Ghostsurf by Tenebril. 127.0.0.1 port 7212. Works very well & will even encrypt your network address.

Originally Posted by tradetime

Well my experience with TOR and JAP so far........
TOR / privoxy, a complete waste of space, has the clever ability to turn a broadband connection into a slower than the worst dialup I've ever seen, and believe me in my travels around the world I've come across some backward assed connections. Lot's of Error 404 No such domain garbage on perfectly good domains.

JAP / proxomitron, mediocre at best, faster than TOR but still unreliable, frequently unable to resolve perfectly serviceable domains.

If this is the best privacy software has to offer, all I can say is Oh dear!

Your problem and that of many others is you fail to realize this is a community based thing --- don't just LEECH, give back and improve the network -- run a Tor server [tor.eff.org] and/or donate [tor.eff.org] to the cause. Not only will doing so improve your anonymity (running a server), you'll improve the network by adding some of your bandwidth to this community collaboration. Regardless running a connection through multiple switches will have a slight impact on speed, but that's a fair trade off for privacy. I don't pay for a broadband connection for just simple browsing, there are many more useful uses of a highspeed connection.

Be a team player and run a server [tor.eff.org]

Q

[Londonbeat]

Originally Posted by Woody777

I believe JAP might have a backdoor in it.. Put there by the German laws.

Is this true? Who has access to it, the German authorities?

[Pedro]

I think it's a thing of the past. True, the german police demanded a backdoor to prevent some behaviours, related to child pornography, and so on. But they went to court and it is gone.

[Paranoid2000]

Tor/JAP comparison: see JAP,TOR,Socks proxy ,tunneling and Stunnel, 2 years old but the points made are still relevant.

Tor performance: see post 24 of Anonymous surfing and strong encryption - as ClassicQ has pointed out, people wishing to see better performance should consider contributing.

JAP Backdoor: see post 23 of How easy can my ISP know?

[Londonbeat]

Originally Posted by Paranoid2000

Tor/JAP comparison: see JAP,TOR,Socks proxy ,tunneling and Stunnel, 2 years old but the points made are still relevant.

Tor performance: see post 24 of Anonymous surfing and strong encryption - as ClassicQ has pointed out, people wishing to see better performance should consider contributing.

JAP Backdoor: see post 23 of How easy can my ISP know?

Thanks for those links/info

Londonbeat

[tradetime]

Originally Posted by Someone

I only tried JAP alone. Why do you use JAP / proxomitron? Maybe i'm forgetting something.

Cheers

Hi Someone, sorry I have been away myself, JAP anonymises your conection but it does not interfere with the information that your computer/browser sends out about you, proxomitron takes care of that sitting between your browser and the JAP client. Proxomitron is the one recommended by JAP.
http://anon.inf.tu-dresden.de/help/j...eneral_en.html
Possibly less of an issue if using a browser such as Opera which gives very little info away but handy for the odd occaisions when you may use IE