Firefox 14 beta

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by Escalader

I don't quite follow? I don't use chrome

I just think that Mozilla, with these Fx releases are emulating the rapid Google Chrome release cycle, for some reason better known to themselves. Possibly to look industrious & 'with it'. I don't think that they are doing themselves any favours.

[Noob]

Well i don't necessarily think it's a bad thing but a release cycle of every 6 weeks is insane.

[vasa1]

But look at this way ...
Every six weeks in a year, however long that may be:

• we get to make the same profound comments about how this browser is copying that browser
• we get to post links to ftp sites to download the latest and greatest before it's officially announced
• we get to say we'd rather wait for the release to be pushed to us
• we get to rubbish the new release and comment about just how buggy or glitchy or whatever it is
• we get to moan about the extensions that won't work with the new release
• we get to tell the world just how more wonderful our latest choice of browser is compared to the new release

♲ Now, isn't that wonderful 🂡

[Ocky]

CentOS and Scientific Linux have adopted Mozillas ESR (extended support release cycle).
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Enterprise/...ort%3AProposal
This seems more reasonable. I am still on Firefox 10x with SL6.2.

[tlu]

Originally Posted by Ocky

Gee, Opera has had this granularity for quite a long time, albeit sans plugin-specific. In fact most of the new stuff in firefox has been in Opera for years.

Can it also remember to always allow plugins for specific sites?

[Ocky]

Originally Posted by tlu

Can it also remember to always allow plugins for specific sites?

Yes, post #19 - that's the dialogue window that one gets when right clicking on a website page and selecting 'Edit Site Preferences'.
I am currently testing Opera 12 'next' which now offers out of process plugins, and hardware acceleration. I must still find out whether HWA applies to Linux as well.

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog...o-2012-edition

If you want to test it and already have Opera 11.64 running, choose the 'next'
install option http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/next_...4.linux.tar.xz which allows you to have side by side installs. It's the same as the RC, the RC will however overwrite an existing Opera install. Also remember that some bugs will undoubtedly be present as it is not a final version.

HWA for Linux, yes it is disabled by default but it's there.
To enable HWA:
opera:config#Enable%20Hardware%20Acceleration

opera:config#Enable%20WebGL

Set both above to 1 then save and restart Opera. Check status: opera:gpu



Looking good so far >>

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by vasa1

But look at this way ...
Every six weeks in a year, however long that may be:

• we get to make the same profound comments about how this browser is copying that browser
• we get to post links to ftp sites to download the latest and greatest before it's officially announced
• we get to say we'd rather wait for the release to be pushed to us
• we get to rubbish the new release and comment about just how buggy or glitchy or whatever it is
• we get to moan about the extensions that won't work with the new release
• we get to tell the world just how more wonderful our latest choice of browser is compared to the new release

♲ Now, isn't that wonderful ��

But look on the bright side, every six weeks you get to post bullet pointed lists like this regularly as well.

I always look forward to reading your opinion (& bullet points) on these matters.

Getting ever so slightly back on-topic, I honestly think that extension incompatibilities due to the crazy 42 day release cycle are actually turning many people away from Firefox. After all, it is its extensions & customisation that makes Fx so popular to begin with. Maybe if enough people regularly moan & whinge Mozilla may start to take notice. Maybe not ...

[vasa1]

Originally Posted by Daveski17

... Maybe if enough people regularly moan & whinge Mozilla may start to take notice. Maybe not ...

A bug has to be reproducible under defined conditions.

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by vasa1

A bug has to be reproducible under defined conditions.

Admittedly, but it may not always be so easy to define the conditions, nor easy to replicate them entirely. There can be many combinations of extensions, operating systems & the like. It doesn't mean that the bug doesn't necessarily exist. Changes to a browser at a rapid rate are not going to alleviate problems & are more likely to accelerate them.

[vasa1]

Originally Posted by Daveski17

Admittedly, but it may not always be so easy to define the conditions, nor easy to replicate them entirely. There can be many combinations of extensions, operating systems & the like. It doesn't mean that the bug doesn't necessarily exist. Changes to a browser at a rapid rate are not going to alleviate problems & are more likely to accelerate them.

Now that there's the ESR, people who are in need of stability could use that. Isn't that obvious?

[Escalader]

Originally Posted by Daveski17

I just think that Mozilla, with these Fx releases are emulating the rapid Google Chrome release cycle, for some reason better known to themselves. Possibly to look industrious & 'with it'. I don't think that they are doing themselves any favours.

You are right, they aren't helping themselves as far as I'm concerned.

In my next machine, I'm going to take a different route.

1) learn all the built in security, backup features of W7/W8 and deploy those. That means the 2 way FW the built in defrager, the policy tools.

2) maximize or harden the browser(s) I use to contain script, sites, refers etc.

3) Use free ASW and AV's to scan weekly

4) Maximize encryption

5) Put the os on SSD

6) Maximize the fw control in a new router

7) Separate ip black lists from AV or FW products

I will need a HIPS unless I can convince myself that sandboxie renders that not needed.

9) I will need a antikeylooger and use EMET

This means I no longer need to buy perfect disk defragger type tools, or any AV products.

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by vasa1

Now that there's the ESR, people who are in need of stability could use that. Isn't that obvious?

Obviously.

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by Escalader

You are right, they aren't helping themselves as far as I'm concerned.

In my next machine, I'm going to take a different route.

1) learn all the built in security, backup features of W7/W8 and deploy those. That means the 2 way FW the built in defrager, the policy tools.

2) maximize or harden the browser(s) I use to contain script, sites, refers etc.

3) Use free ASW and AV's to scan weekly

4) Maximize encryption

5) Put the os on SSD

6) Maximize the fw control in a new router

7) Separate ip black lists from AV or FW products

I will need a HIPS unless I can convince myself that sandboxie renders that not needed.

9) I will need a antikeylooger and use EMET

This means I no longer need to buy perfect disk defragger type tools, or any AV products.

Sounds like a good plan.

[JRViejo]

FYI. Mozilla Firefox, Portable Edition 14.0 Beta 8 (web browser) Released for PA Platform users, courtesy of PortableApps.com

[JRViejo]

FYI. Mozilla Firefox, Portable Edition 14.0 Beta 9 (web browser) Released for PA Platform users, courtesy of PortableApps.com

[Daveski17]

Originally Posted by Ocky

Gee, Opera has had this granularity for quite a long time, albeit sans plugin-specific. In fact most of the new stuff in firefox has been in Opera for years.

It can be a tad glitchy though sometimes. But thanks again Ocky for informing me about this in Opera, I wondered why there wasn't a decent flashblock in Opera extensions. It's one of those functions that once you've used it, you wonder how you surfed without it.

[JRViejo]

FYI. Mozilla Firefox, Portable Edition 14.0 Beta 10 (web browser) Released for PA Platform users, courtesy of PortableApps.com

[JRViejo]

FYI. Mozilla Firefox, Portable Edition 14.0 Beta 12 (web browser) Released for PA Platform users, courtesy of PortableApps.com

[berryracer]

I tried Firefox 14 Beta 12 and it seems to crash randomly on diff. websites

[JRViejo]

berryracer, according to this PortableApps Forum Post, the crash issues might be due to Flash, although I don't have a problem with the latest 11.3.300.265 version. Just FYI.

[Escalader]

It is great to be on the bleeding edge helping the vendors test!

[berryracer]

Originally Posted by JRViejo

berryracer, according to this PortableApps Forum Post, the crash issues might be due to Flash, although I don't have a problem with the latest 11.3.300.265 version. Just FYI.

I understand, thanks for clarifying where the bug is

Cheers

[korben]

Still awaiting v14 to replace my v12...hope they polish it this time around

[chriswiles]

Originally Posted by korben

Still awaiting v14 to replace my v12...hope they polish it this time around

You don't need to wait any longer, FF 14 (strangely released as "14.0.1") has reached the stable channel this morning: http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/24333-firefox