C.O.M.O.D.O CIS "Bad Vibes Man"

[clocks]

If Comodo AV is based on ESET, then Comodo sure is efficient. haha Eset runs about 55meg on my PC. Comodo (with firewall and D+) runs only 4-10meg.

[risl]

What ever, reverse engineering the other program is illegal and that is unacceptable for a security company.

[clocks]

Originally Posted by risl

What ever, reverse engineering the other program is illegal and that is unacceptable for a security company.

A. There isn't any proof I know of Comodo has done such other than comments from a digruntled fired employee. B. I am willing to bet MANY security software companies have done some reverse engineering, or copying idea from their competitors. Unfortunately that is life/the business world.

[tekkaman]

Funny thing is that they do that to improve the AV and Melith totally doesn't believe in AVs. Kinda ironic.

[smage]

Originally Posted by firzen771

agreed, but if what is said is tru, i cant respect comodo in any way for even trying to do what they are doing.

Originally Posted by Fuzzfas

Personally, i find the whole Kevin McLeavy story plausible (given also Melih's personality).

Keep in mind that they couldn't reverse engineer the signatures too... Also reverse engineering isn't 100% successful. Ask the Chinese who are masters of reverse engineering many things (incl. weapons systems of their Russian neighbours). You don't get 100% identical result to the original. The more complicated the original, the wider your percentage of distance from the original.

They don't have the same approach to security, but they both have an av scanner, don't they... And honestly, if i were Melih and someone told pubblically such things, while they were flat out lies, i would at least rush to deny, if not for anything else, for covering my ass from potential legal conseguences with NOD 32.

But IF Comodo is really doing this and if it's not legal, it will already have deleted such dangerous information from its forum. Moreover ESET will have already taken legal actions against Comodo.

Concerning the success of the reversing, we'll find out when Comodo agrees to test its AV on AV-C.

[risl]

Originally Posted by clocks

A. There isn't any proof I know of Comodo has done such other than comments from a digruntled fired employee. B. I am willing to bet MANY security software companies have done some reverse engineering, or copying idea from their competitors. Unfortunately that is life/the business world.

Copying an idea is completely different than unpacking and disassembling an application to investigate how the code works/how it's done.

But yes, you are right that there is no valid proof. I wasn't talking it as a fact that comodo has done anything, just didn't mention it. I'm sorry if I caused some misunderstandings.

[tipstir]

They need to take care of the CPU pikes to 100% even on single or duo. AV does scan the system auto but its malware still has many unknowns and Fps to be use seriously. Just run Comodo Firewall Only with Rising AntiVirus International Free set that Auto Malware Scanner daily to All Drives (1st Clean Virus, 2nd Delete It, 3rd Delete It) These options are used if Rising can't clean virus(pest all favors) but get rid of it by means of deletion. Otherwise Rising AV usually stores files in RAVBIN then sends those results back to the Cloudy Security, thus next daily updates should have a threat update patch. Comodo needs to do the same method with it's AV/Malware cleaner. I've ran MBM, SBS and Norman MC nothing found..

[Fuzzfas]

Originally Posted by smage

But IF Comodo is really doing this and if it's not legal, it will already have deleted such dangerous information from its forum. Moreover ESET will have already taken legal actions against Comodo.

Concerning the success of the reversing, we'll find out when Comodo agrees to test its AV on AV-C.

Deleting the info would be direct admission of guilt, since Kevin could have reposted the same at other places and those who 've already seen it, would do nothing else but spread the world of the deletion... Even better he could have taken screenshots of his post before the deletion and imagine what disaster it would be to show your posts prior to deletion in Comodo's forum... How can you defend that...

ESET... The problem is that you have no proof other than the comment of Kevin. Do you start an international legal battle about it just based on that? What if you lose? If i were ESET i would first contact Kevin to ask if he can provide me with tangible proof of that. Otherwise, it's potentially lost money and international juridical battles, cost a lot and you get to pay the winner if you lose too and NOD32 isn't Norton. Reminds me a bit when Emsisoft said about Matousec's tests ranking Mamutu last, that they can't afford to start a legal action from Austria to USA.


On the other hand though, can you imagine ANY company, be it NOD32 or Norton or KAV or... where an ex employee goes in the public forum and says such things and the CEO simply replies "Ok, good luck"? I mean, honestly! They slander your company , you partecipate on the same thread, and you wouldn't at least defend your own honour and reputation? I would! I would at LEAST say "Kevin, you 're slandering with lies my product, me and my programmers there and you know it. I won't say anything else to you than good luck".

Probably some more serious CEO would actually make a lawsuit over that.

What Kevin said, is no proof. It's a claim. But personally, if you ask me to choose between beleiving the one of the 2, i 'd take Kevin McLeavy's word over Melih's any day.

[falkor]

I never cared for Kevin as I have dealt with him a few times . However; I have been a part of Conodo many moons ago and , they talked about and pushed the crap out of how good their AV would be. This was BEFORE Kevin was even a thought. And guess what? Their AV still stinks and Kevin has come and gone . If you folks had a clue as to what happened in truth, you might understand why Kevin aired this publicly . He wanted people to know why he left and the treatment that pushed him there. Proof? People keep asking for proof. Just stop as you will get none. Believe whom you wish to believe . Disgruntled fired employee? ? Yes. That is NOT why he came out. I am sure he figured his name was now being buried hard and deep. He stepped up and let people know there was another side to this Mehli melee'.

[ronjor]

One off topic post removed.

[SammyJack]

I do not thank anyone like McAleavey would make the comments he did just to stir up problems.
After all,He remained with the company after he discovered these things.

I thank it is like the old game show scandal in the 1950's.

The producers were sure no one from the inside would ever speak up about the rigging of shows,as they were all implicated.
What they did not count on,was someone so pissed off from the way he had been jerked around,he no longer cared.
Herbert Stempel was that guy from the quizz shows,and McAleavey
is that guy for Comodo.



Really would it not be in McAleavey's best interest to says as little as possible about his time at Comodo?
It can hardly be a resume enhancer.

But when you are ill used,hear remarks like "I am glad I could help him" from Melih,this after borging his star program and reneging on an apparent promise to keep it free standing and further developed,being subjected to Kafka/comedy working conditions complete with Mad Max,most guys just want to have their say.

In any event,McAleavey is pretty good at defending himself.
if I remember the old Kevin-vs-Gizmo feud over BOClean,he can give back
pretty much what he gets.

[clocks]

If the company was this unethical, nasty place to work, why didn't he leave on his own? Instead it sounds liked he worked from home, collecting a paycheck, for a couple years until they finally cut him lose. Now the guy is going on different forums posting his grips. No wonder he can't find a job. Any company that may hire him will Google his name, find him trashing his prior employer, and won't touch him. Even if his grievances are valid, posting them publicly is probably not the smartest thing to do. They will live forever on the internet. He better hope ESET is hiring. lol

I also think it was wrong and silly for the CEO of Comodo to comment publicly. He must give his HR department fits.

Like I said, unprofessional on both their parts, but I guess we all do silly things in the heat of the moment.

[SammyJack]

"If the company was this unethical, nasty place to work, why didn't he leave on his own?"

Good point.

Maybe the same reason many of us stay at jobs we do not like,working for people we detest.

"the kids need wine,and I need cheese."

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Thread devolution: What began as rubbernecking at an accident scene has turned into hacky sack with the corpses.

[smage]

Originally Posted by Fuzzfas

Deleting the info would be direct admission of guilt, since Kevin could have reposted the same at other places and those who 've already seen it, would do nothing else but spread the world of the deletion... Even better he could have taken screenshots of his post before the deletion and imagine what disaster it would be to show your posts prior to deletion in Comodo's forum... How can you defend that...

ESET... The problem is that you have no proof other than the comment of Kevin. Do you start an international legal battle about it just based on that? What if you lose? If i were ESET i would first contact Kevin to ask if he can provide me with tangible proof of that. Otherwise, it's potentially lost money and international juridical battles, cost a lot and you get to pay the winner if you lose too and NOD32 isn't Norton. Reminds me a bit when Emsisoft said about Matousec's tests ranking Mamutu last, that they can't afford to start a legal action from Austria to USA.


On the other hand though, can you imagine ANY company, be it NOD32 or Norton or KAV or... where an ex employee goes in the public forum and says such things and the CEO simply replies "Ok, good luck"? I mean, honestly! They slander your company , you partecipate on the same thread, and you wouldn't at least defend your own honour and reputation? I would! I would at LEAST say "Kevin, you 're slandering with lies my product, me and my programmers there and you know it. I won't say anything else to you than good luck".

Probably some more serious CEO would actually make a lawsuit over that.

What Kevin said, is no proof. It's a claim. But personally, if you ask me to choose between beleiving the one of the 2, i 'd take Kevin McLeavy's word over Melih's any day.

Hi Fuzzfas,

I agree with you, Comodo should really smarten themselves if they really want to be recognised as a serious security vendor.
Anyway, I'll wait for CIS v4 to draw my final conclusion about Comodo.

Regards.

[Fuzzfas]

Originally Posted by smage

Hi Fuzzfas,

I agree with you, Comodo should really smarten themselves if they really want to be recognised as a serious security vendor.
Anyway, I'll wait for CIS v4 to draw my final conclusion about Comodo.

Regards.

My opinion about Comodo as a program doesn't need v.4 to come out. Comodo is great product, although for my personal taste, i prefer the gui before the introduction of Threatcast. Anyway, protection-wise it remains very good.

This said, my opinion about Melih and his general behaviour as CEO, is another story... If i were at his place, i would stop the politician-like talk and Melihvision and leave the whole promotion campaign to a professional (PR representative). Or candidate for mayor in my home city, this would be enough to absorb my need for public statements.

Honestly, can you think of ANY other security company CEO, who regularly ends up in scandal-like discussions and forum disputes? This thing with Comodo is like a soap opera. Stories with Mike Nash, Matousec, selling certificates to the "bad guys", Ask toolbar and Softpedia, Kevin McAleavy and all this, under a "save the world, save the internet" rhetoric from Melihvision.

Not even Norton manages to get into disputes so often.

[blacknight]

Originally Posted by Fuzzfas

My opinion about Comodo as a program doesn't need v.4 to come out. Comodo is great product, although for my personal taste, i prefer the gui before the introduction of Threatcast. Anyway, protection-wise it remains very good.

This said, my opinion about Melih and his general behaviour as CEO, is another story... If i were at his place, i would stop the politician-like talk and Melihvision and leave the whole promotion campaign to a professional (PR representative). Or candidate for mayor in my home city, this would be enough to absorb my need for public statements.


Not even Norton manages to get into disputes so often.

Quote, Fuzzfas, you said very well all it needs to say.

[Someone]

Originally Posted by Fuzzfas

Personally, i find the whole Kevin McLeavy story plausible (given also Melih's personality).

I agree. If I had to choose I would definitely trust Kevin over Melih. The claim that Comodo is reverse engineering of Nod32 is very disturbing, I wonder if Kevin can provide proof?

[Carver]

I agree. If I had to choose I would definitely trust Kevin over Melih. The claim that Comodo is reverse engineering of Nod32 is very disturbing, I wonder if Kevin can provide proof.

If eset gets a whiff of this eset's lawyers will be exploring the matter.

Very entertaining reading this thread. What a load of rubbish has been posted.

Conspiracy theories rule in the nursery!

[BlueZannetti]

About the only direction this thread can go at this point is further idle speculation heaped on innuendo with a glaze of conspiracy to flavor....., in other words - no where.

Thread closed.

Blue