Hundreds of thousands may lose Internet in July

[Carver]

Originally Posted by Iron Man

I'm doing good here. No Black outs.

Ditto, I heard the news this morning they said if you have computer problems because of DNS changer to call your ISP.

[Page42]

Over the past week or two, we’ve been following the DNSChanger or “Internet Doomsday” saga as the final day approached – today – and now it’s time to take a head count for what’s actually happened.

DNSChanger: By the Numbers

[Mrkvonic]

Originally Posted by CyberMan969

I think that a few months jailtime is too weak a punishment for the creeps and scamsters who write malicious software. The problem is that the police in countries like Russia, China, India, Romania, Bulgaria, Nigeria etc. does NOT do enough in order to control the problem. Of course it doesn't help that in many such countries corruption is rife.

There are more important things that preventing people from installing crap on their computers, things like education, healthcare and whatnot. Why would police waste time with trivial things?
Mrk

[Keatah]

The important things like healthcare and education are still not being addressed anyways.. So let's do something else. Let the cesspool of humanity be as it is.

[twl845]

Ya know, yesterday was July 9th when some folks were supposed to lose their internet. If you're reading this it wasn't you or me. I don't see a reason not to close this thread.

[CyberMan969]

Originally Posted by Mrkvonic

There are more important things that preventing people from installing crap on their computers, things like education, healthcare and whatnot. Why would police waste time with trivial things?
Mrk

Some people can bring whole institutions down with just a few lines of code, spreading misery to millions of users. I'd hardly call that trivial.

Also imagine if some creep was to bring down the systems of banks that fulfil charitable transactions to third world countries. Aid delivery could be severely affected and people could die as a result.

Cybercrime is NOT trivial. To thing of it as such is naive.

[Mrkvonic]

Originally Posted by CyberMan969

Some people can bring whole institutions down with just a few lines of code, spreading misery to millions of users. I'd hardly call that trivial.

Also imagine if some creep was to bring down the systems of banks that fulfil charitable transactions to third world countries. Aid delivery could be severely affected and people could die as a result.

Cybercrime is NOT trivial. To thing of it as such is naive.

How many people died of flu last year?
How many died of C code?
See the difference?
Movies aside, the security thingie is overblown.
No creep can bring banks down or anything like that.
Doesn't work in real life. Life is not Die Hard 4 bullcrap.
Mrk

[Mrkvonic]

Love your priorities. So compassionate.
Cyber crime is like any other, if less violent.
So priorities for THE police should be accordingly.
I'd rather see thieves who rob old people go away than hax0rs who trick people into downloading suprapr0ndownlaoder2013.exe.
Mrk

[CyberMan969]

Originally Posted by Mrkvonic

How many people died of flu last year?
How many died of C code?
See the difference?
Movies aside, the security thingie is overblown.
No creep can bring banks down or anything like that.
Doesn't work in real life. Life is not Die Hard 4 bullcrap.
Mrk

Apples and oranges my friend. Cybercrime affects millions worldwide, and unlike the flu (which will kill some of the old and the weak anyway), we can do something about it.

[CyberMan969]

Originally Posted by Mrkvonic

Love your priorities. So compassionate.
Cyber crime is like any other, if less violent.
So priorities for THE police should be accordingly.
I'd rather see thieves who rob old people go away than hax0rs who trick people into downloading suprapr0ndownlaoder2013.exe.
Mrk

Nothing to do with compassion. You just hate the fact that someone happens to disagree with your way of thinking. Of course it's best for the scumbags who commit 'normal' crimes to be punished severely, I'm all for that, who wouldn't? You are just stating the obvious. The need to combat one form of crime does not negate the need to combat another as well.

[Mrkvonic]

Hate? A strong word. I just find it funny that people think their little puzzle of hobby and fun - malware drama - is the most important thing in the world, when it is probably the least important in the global scale of things.
Mrk

[CyberMan969]

You talk like you know me but you don't, and you couldn't be further from the truth regarding what I have seen first-hand and with my own eyes about real human misery. But you're also right, hate is a strong word. Lets agree to disagree and leave it at that, OK?

Wow, you're coming off fairly arrogant.

Got news: Internet access is a privilege. Owning a computer is a privilege. Having the resources to learn how to use a computer... Is a privilege. To be a victim of malware you already have to be insanely privileged.

It's not comparing apples to oranges. It's comparing a shoplifter to Hitler.

[Hungry Man]

Actually internet access is a human right according to the UN.

[Hungry Man]

Originally Posted by Mrkvonic

How many people died of flu last year?
How many died of C code?
See the difference?
Movies aside, the security thingie is overblown.
No creep can bring banks down or anything like that.
Doesn't work in real life. Life is not Die Hard 4 bullcrap.
Mrk

I'm sure thousands have died and will die due to 'C Code' and banks are easy as **** to hack lol

Originally Posted by Hungry Man

Actually internet access is a human right according to the UN.

Not saying it shouldn't be. The fact remains that in practice it is a privilege, like many human rights in many places.

Edit: I wonder if the UN considers health care a human right.

[CyberMan969]

Originally Posted by Gullible Jones

Wow, you're coming off fairly arrogant.

Got news: Internet access is a privilege. Owning a computer is a privilege. Having the resources to learn how to use a computer... Is a privilege. To be a victim of malware you already have to be insanely privileged.

It's not comparing apples to oranges. It's comparing a shoplifter to Hitler.

I never said that it was the same so please DO NOT put words in my mouth. Real life crime is worse, nobody can dispute that, and that fact does not negate the need for cybercrime to be fought as well.

I have worked as a volunteer for a children's charity both in Africa and South America and have seen poverty and misery with my own eyes that most people only get to see on TV. I have also worked my a** off for years in order to be able to afford my petty 'privileges'. You simply don't have the right to assume things about me. HAVE I JUDGED YOU??

I think this 'conversation'/debate, whatever you wanna call it, ends here.

[MarcP]

We had rolling blackouts yesterday across our province. Our utility company says that the high temperatures and the shutdown of 4 power plants forced the measure.

They're not fooling anyone....

[twl845]

Originally Posted by Gullible Jones

Wow, you're coming off fairly arrogant.

Got news: Internet access is a privilege. Owning a computer is a privilege. Having the resources to learn how to use a computer... Is a privilege.

Maybe if you live in Communist China it's a privilege. In the USA you can have it all if you have the cash.

Originally Posted by twl845

Maybe if you live in Communist China it's a privilege. In the USA you can have it all if you have the cash.

Umm. See definition of a privilege?

Edit: to be a bit more clear, the cash it depends on is also a privilege. In theory people can go from rags to riches (and some have), in practice that is hugely dependent on circumstances. Social mobility in the US (and many first-world countries) is pretty limited for most people.

BTW, Cyberman969: I did make assumptions about where you were coming from, and that was stupid of me; I'm sorry for that. I still find myself in disagreement with you, but I thought an apology was due.

[CyberMan969]

Originally Posted by Gullible Jones

BTW, Cyberman969: I did make assumptions about where you were coming from, and that was stupid of me; I'm sorry for that. I still find myself in disagreement with you, but I thought an apology was due.

Thank you Jones, this means a lot to me and I also apologise for shouting in my last post. I think I didn't express correctly what I was trying to convey here. Of course there are much bigger problems in the world that cybercrime, no one can ever dispute that. What I was trying to say is that we also need better defences against cybercriminals. Of course the crimefighting resources have to be divided properly so real-life crime always takes priority.

I was born into a poor family and we got no breaks from anyone. My dad has been working hard since he was 12 years of age and he is still the most honest man I have ever met. Both me and my brother had to work mega-hard in order to achieve a decent standard of living and be able to take care of our parents. These are the reasons why I hate fraudsters, scamsters etc., greedy, lazy people who take the easy route and exploit others to make a living; and the internet has become the perfect hunting ground for such predators.

I was actually wrong about my earlier "heavier sentencing for cybercriminals" comment. A lot of those people won't be dissuaded by heavier sentencing alone, because the potential profits far outweigh the potential risks in their heads. We could get better results simply by educating new users and helping them adopt a more proactive attitude towards such dangers.

Thank you again Jones!

[siljaline]

With all the verification tools that were and remain available, it was generally a non-event ...

[jackdiaz]

it sounds like everyone's pretty right about this topic.
pharmacological/biological epidemics affect our society as severely as digital/economic epidemics but because they're rooted in different programs, they hurt different sections of our 'global' system. in most cases they intertwine and evolve into a far worse problem than just the flu or a breach, ex. think about the spread of disease in developing countries when they're hit by a fluke (or deliberate) blowout of their currency on the stock exchange.

i don't know, the trajectory of the world interconnectedness feels like it's raising too fast for anything to be the single largest problem at this point.